Comments on: We must support the war, says Lieut-Gov

By: Boris

Boris — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:51:25 +0000

Magnolia Man

Not quite sure what your point is; it appears he was proved right.

By: Magnolia Man

Magnolia Man — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:19:15 +0000

The coffin containing the remains of the late Rifleman Philip Allen, of 2nd Battalion The Rifles, arrived back in the UK today.

I mention this because His Excellency, the Lieutenant Governor, has commanded that “that Islanders should be prepared to see more ‘Union Flag-draped coffins’ returning to the UK”.

I mention this also just in case Lieutenant General Ridgway might have forgotten making that asinine remark.

Because we certainly have not.

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By: Green Bean

Green Bean — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:03:15 +0000

The Lieutenant Governor is intitled to his own personal views on this so-called war but he has no right to tell me or anyone else what we should think and do!
He is in a cushy job living in a big house at our expense and should not try to lord it over us like some higher authority!
He may know about war (he’s got enough experience of it!) but i know what i think and would never dream of telling others to think the same as me.

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By: Adrian

Adrian — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:17:32 +0000

Hmm I was making the point that this is self inflicted isn’t it? Just like with Saddam Hussein.

Another unfortunate fact.

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By: Hmm

Hmm — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:32:49 +0000

“Wasn’t this the same group that was supplied by the west with training, money, and arms to defeat the “illegal” Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980’s?”

Which naturally means we are in absolutely no way able to defeat them either militarily or politically. Brilliant. Gordon should hire you.

War is a Racket and The Power of Nightmares. Maybe I’ll watch them when I find my tinfoil hat.

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By: Adrian

Adrian — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:17:58 +0000

Peter Troy “a vicious terrorist organisation which had gained sanctuary from a corrupt, barbaric, fundamentalist regime in Afghanistan.”

Wasn’t this the same group that was supplied by the west with training, money, and arms to defeat the “illegal” Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980’s?

disabled ex-Tommy has posted a link to youtube maybe Peter Troy would like to view it and give his comments since he seems to be in possession of all the facts?

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By: disabled ex-Tommy

disabled ex-Tommy — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:46:36 +0000

“War is a racket”
So,So true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0

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By: Peter Anthony Troy

Peter Anthony Troy — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:37:37 +0000

Pehaps there is a need to concider the basic facts.

British troops went into Afganistain in 2001, after the 9/11 outrage, in support of the United States, an act of solidarity for an old and valuable ally which had been attacked by a vicious terrorist organisation which had gained sanctuary from a corrupt, barbaric, fundamentalist regime in Afghanistan.

The UK Government went in to help clear this nest of vipers and, largely, succeeded. British troops also brought down the government of Afghanistan, which would have toppled anyway. Had we left then, the country would doubtless have reverted to its barbaric, anarchic state, with small islands of something approaching urban civilisation, in appearance if not fact.

But, in a moment of collective hubris, the UK –thought it could impose on this wild, ungovernable land.

Bribed by billions of dollars and the promise of many more, the peoples of Afghanistan went through the motions of an election, which resembled but was not a democratic process, and selected a corrupt tribal leader, from a choice of other corrupt tribal leaders and warlords. He then did what any self-respecting, corrupt tribal leader would do – milked the system to enrich himself, his tribe members, his allies, enemies and cronies.

Not even attempting governance or development, this allowed the country to revert to its usual state of anarchy and tribal warfare, compounded by a low-grade civil war which has been ongoing for so many decades that no one can rightly work out when it started, or even care enough to find out.

Faced with what the UK took to be the progressive collapse of the system the uk Govenmentof the day thought it had installed – but had not – the then prime minister, decided to reinforce failure, by deploying a small, ill-equipped contingent of troops, charged with undertaking a task for which they were ill-prepared and which, in any case was difficult to achieve.

However today failure is not an option and terrorism must not be allowed to fester in Afganistain. British and US troops need public,ministerial and logistic support – not illinformed comment.

Lest we all forget the facts – terrorism is an evil that must be distroyed, which is why British troops are fighting in Afganistain.

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By: Harold Poel

Harold Poel — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:02:37 +0000

Lieutenant governor; a UK representative and appointee.

Speaks for the UK.

Jersey; nothing to do with the UK.

Lieutenant Governor; nothing to do with Jersey.

Lieutenant Governor’s opinion; irrelevant.

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By: Justice

Justice — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:08:10 +0000

I’ve done Two tours of Iraq,Afghanistan and the Balkans and I’m a Reservist!!With the current climate with the work situation looks like I’m gong back to Afghanistan to earn a living for my family to survive in Jersey.The Politicians never looked after the troops when they got back.shame on them.Since I’ve been back from Afghanistan I’ve applied for numerous jobs to work for the states but not one interview.One job was for a mobile cleaner/Labourer,didn’t even get a letter back, Looks like I’m not even fit enough to clean Jersey toilets,but to fight a war on global terrorism,no dramas there.

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By: Marx

Marx — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:30:42 +0000

Man, what were we thinking when we elected this guy…… oh wait…. my mistake.

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By: Weasel

Weasel — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:07:36 +0000

JERSEY’S Lieutenant-Governor has called for Islanders to support the war in Afghanistan and warned that losing the conflict would ‘condemn our children to decades of terrorism’.

Our children are already condemed to years of terrorism after the effect of 2 illegal wars and as Jersey is supposed to be a democratic society (ha ha) support for this alleged war cannot be demanded.

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By: Adrian

Adrian — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:54:01 +0000

WAR IS A RACKET
By Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC[Retired]

As paul says get this book and it will open your eyes.

HOW TO STOP WARS?
The Major General basically said that the first to be conscripted to fight in any war should be those running capital, industry and labour. By this he meant the directors and the high-powered executives of all companies that make profit from war time as well as bankers, speculators and politicians.

How many wars would be fought if these policies were implemented do you think? I would venture the answer either zero or very very few.

Anyone got any better ideas to keep the peace?

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By: Paul

Paul — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:42:43 +0000

Boris try “War is a racket” there is some one on google video reading part of it and the book can be bought on amazon for a fiver this book was written by the US most decorated General and is clear and to the point the video is accurate also.

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By: Paul

Paul — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:06:14 +0000

It is a painful thing to me to see men die not only the forces involved in conflict but the tens of thousands of poor civilians gunned down and blown up. I believe that the young men and women of all the allied forces are putting there life on the line but i dont believe this is for freedom. It was the most highly decorated US soldier ever that said WAR IS A RACKET in the book of this title a very small short book he higlights insane war profits for the friends of government the poor treatment of soldiers and the fact that its the poor and underclass that fights while the sons of influence are paraded as men of courage and honour, while the might even join the army they are kept out of harms way. To understand this war in any way we need a good understanding of the last few wars not what you are told on TV. Yes hitler, sadam and the like are evil men but if you take a real sober look at the powers that be, in the UK and the US you will find many a war criminal and i am not talking about abuse of prisoners. Look into who backed hitler sadam the taliban the IRA, On that point i am glad we didnt nuke the Irish even though Ireland was there homeland and very few people spoke out (for fear for there lives). I see the people of Iraq Iran and the others to be put through the grinder like the Irish until the point of snap, Then a child who has lost his mother or sister to sum druged up soldier ( this is given to keep his thinking out the way ) will take his life and a few of our boys as well.

It is sad.

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR.

War is a racket is on amazon for £5 its a very good book from a man who is very intrested in freedom for all men.

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