Questions on Condor Ferries’ pricing
Thursday 26th March 2009, 2:59PM GMT.
From Brian Villette.
IS Condor the company that charges you to make savings?
When first introduced years ago the Frequent Traveller Card was a great saving, with 20% off each trip. Over the years the benefits have been reduced, at one stage the booking becoming very complicated, so that it was almost impossible to get any benefit.
It has now been reworded so that you look as if you are gaining something but you are not. For example, if you wish to change your booking you don’t get charged the £20 booking amendment fee. How generous, because the chances are, based on their complicated pricing and booking system, the person who books the sailing you relinquished is likely to pay vastly more anyway. So in this instance Condor will not be losing anything.
Indeed, if you are not a frequent traveller it’s probably a double-whammy, double-bubble profit. A £20 amendment fee and the person who takes your place pays more. Then of course we come to a situation where rather than up their fares they used spin and put on a fuel surcharge which has been regularly increased and it is now not only placed on cars but on passengers too.
In effect it is my belief that Condor have only ever once reduced the fuel surcharge and that was last year, when I’m sure people started questioning it. I’m led to believe fuel prices are currently less than before the implementation of the fuel surcharge, so why has it not been completely removed?
But we come again to the frequent traveller card, which offers a 15% discount, so let’s take a fictional £100 fare as an example. One would expect that after discount it would be £85, but no, they don’t take it off the fuel surcharge, so we end up paying around £86.80. So effectively it’s no longer a 15% discount.
Let us consider one further point. If it costs £20 for a roughly four-hour journey from Weymouth to Jersey would it not be reasonable to assume that a one hour journey from Jersey to Guernsey or St Malo would be cheaper?
Once again we are wrong because on average a day return to Guernsey is approx £36 and St Malo approx £50. Somewhat strange – at the very least one would expect the fuel surcharge to be reduced by 75%.
Another example of Condor’s spin concerned a local motorcycle club who were generously given a reduction for bikes and riders, as indeed had the Poole Bike Riders, commonly known as the Poole Bikers Special. When the arrangement for that year ended I took up the challenge to get it sorted for the next year, indeed succeeding. However, when I decided to take advantage of this special price for club members I found Condor were doing an even cheaper fare on their own website.
But the best bit of spin was the following year when I was told the Poole Biker Special would be on stream towards the end of April. Wanting to go with my bike I could see no reference to it and, on ringing Condor, I was told that a new system was in place and it gave discount for the first five bikes, I believe, on any sailing.
I wonder how many times Condor has had five bikes on a sailing on a regular basis? Very few, I would imagine, so there was no special price. More importantly, from the first time I went with my bike about three years ago when the special fare was approximately £74, the current price is now £150. My maths says it has more than doubled in three years.
What is our Transport Minister going to do about it? Simply, the most accurate answer is nothing.
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Reply from Simon Edsall, managing director, Condor Ferries.
Thank you for the opportunity to respond to some of the questions in Mr Villette’s letter. As the relatively newly appointed managing director I realise that we need to do more to communicate our pricing. Maybe this is a step along that path.
Amendment fees are set to cover our administrative costs. We have a policy of offering the same fares to everyone, whether they book online, in person or by phone, so the amendment fees are the same too. And when bookings are changed close to the departure date we may not be able to resell the original seat or space on the car deck at such short notice.
We have reduced the fuel supplement in four stages from a high of £8.75 per foot passenger down to £3.75 for a Channel Islands-to-St Malo journey. Fuel prices are still significantly higher than when the fuel surcharge was introduced. But we understand that fuel surcharges are not always popular and we are currently looking at ways to address that.
Our current promotions inter-island mean that adult fares for a return day trip are £25 per head and £16 for children. Prices for a car and two adults to St Malo start at £67.25 each way, equating to less than £34 per person. Our maximum fare to St Malo is £150 each way for a car and two adults.
Incidentally, these fares are inclusive of the fuel supplement and, unlike many other transport operators, Condor does not make a charge for credit card bookings.
Condor does a lot to promote tourism into the Channel Islands from both France and the UK. In these difficult economic times we are working even more closely with Tourism locally to encourage visitors to the Islands. This activity is mainly in the form of additional advertising but includes special fare promotions to encourage more visitors at otherwise quieter periods.
We are confident that with these actions and the weakness of sterling that we will play our part in supporting the Channel Islands’ economy this summer.
Our goal is to provide a safe, resilient, year-round service. We know we provide a lifeline service to the Channel Islands community and take our responsibilities to do that seriously.
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How come I paid £230 for a car and two passengers to St.Malo from Jersey in February this year then?
St.Malo is 26 miles from St.Helier this works out at nearly £10 per mile! This is rediculous!
Maybe Simon Edsall could answer the questions above?
I find Condor well over priced for whatever travel I need. How come that people from France and the UK get cheaper fairs than us for the same journey? I believe we are being taken advantage of by Condor. I would expect a car and two people to St.Malo to never be more than £100 max this to me seems a reasonable fair for 26 miles! However Condor seem to offer this route for between £200 and £300 most of the time.
I would also like to know how come everytime we have competition Condor reduces its prices to a more realistic level only to bang them right up again as soon as the competition is driven out of business?
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With Condor Ferries, I’m paying £440, including frequent travellers discount, for a car, two adults and a child to travel to the UK return. £124 pounds of that is a fuel surcharge. I understand fuel is cheaper now than when they introduced the surcharge so this just goes straight into their pocket.
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Gael I bet those coming from the UK won’t be paying that exorbitant figure. Still nothing from the man in charge I see. I call it taking advantage of those who haven’t got competition to rely on. Come on States sort this out will you. It has been going on for far too long.
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no adrian they won,t be paying the same as us.last year they could get a day return ticket to either guernsey or jersey for £26.50.a long day leaving at 7am till about 8 or 9 at night.most got off at guernsey.wish they gave us the same deal but the sailing times are not geared up to suit us.
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sorry i left out these £26.50 were a return from weymouth not st.malo.i call it monopolies,taking advantage of their dominant position.i am going today to weymouth for a few days,it cost £195 for 2 walk on passengers and exactly the same price from guernsey highway robbery in my book,as it is only 2 hours from guernsey.i believe they want 4 to 5 hundred with a car.
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bella I’ve been on about this for ages but the powers that be aren’t interested. I get some bland excuses about economies of scale! I don’t believe anything they say. As far as I am concerned we are being taken to the cleaners. Maybe it is about time a boycott was organised to show the powers that be that we have had enough of this?
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adrian i asked one of the managers of condor in weymouth why can,t jersey or guernsey have the same deal you give to the uk(£27 day trip to either island)they kept me waiting some time before giving me this excuse “we did try this cheap day return from jersey some time ago,but it did,nt work as many people who were leaving jersey for good were using it instead of paying the real price”that,s some excuse i said all you would need to do is take a deposit and when the passenger returned give it back no brainer really he looked at me as if i had just grown horns and would,nt give me a straight answer.so there you have it.i did ask him if it was possible to even put on 1 or 2 day trips a month as it would enable us to shop for choice of food and other goods he said he would look into it,but don,hold your breath
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I wanted to book a day trip from Weymouth to Jersey on one of the fast cats’ and there appears only to be a 50 minutes stay available before you come back. What is the point of that. Did it a few years ago and we had a few hours there.
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From the general comments posted about Condor, why anyone would wish to run a Ferry Service to the Channel Islands is beyond me ! I don’t think Condor’s prices are that bad when compared with flying and picking up a hire car. In response to #2′s comments, we flew to the UK for a long weekend last May – FlyBe to Gatwick was about £330 return for 3 people and a H-car was about £120.
We are off to France with Condor next month for a week and it’s £260 return for 3 plus the car – What are the alternatives ?
When I was a kid, there were no drive on ferries to France or the UK. You had to book 9 months in advance if you wanted your car crained on to the UK boat during the summer months. In the Winter, there were only 3 boats a week.
We will never have serious competition on the CI routes – Competition always ends in tears. Sealink had the UK route in the 80′s and then along came British Channel Island Ferries (BCIF) in which local residents invested. With the arrival of BCIF, Sealink decided mid season to pull out leaving just BCIF. Up until this point, Condor just had the French passenger route, but then decided to compete on the UK car route with their new fast ferry, Condor 10. BCIF then went bust and those local residents who had invested into this company lost their money.
If those who continue to moan about Condor researched the issue a little bit, believe me, they would realise how lucky we are to have all year round fast car ferries to the UK and France.
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