Crackdown on unruly youths
Saturday 4th April 2009, 3:00PM BST.
The police have made 59 arrests involving children as young as ten years old during the month-long crackdown on anti-social behaviour in town.
This is double the amount of youths arrested for unruly behaviour compared to the same period last year.
Questions are now being asked as to whether the latest crime wave by troublesome youths suggests that Jersey should look at introducing anti-social behaviour orders (Asbos).
Meanwhile, the police have promised to increase patrols in town over the Easter period.
• Picture: Vandalism is one of the problems caused by youngsters running wild in town
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let every one have a first chance but if they repeat thier offence or commit a second Name and Shame them and thier parents
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All this proves is that they don’t give a s##t about authority and will continue to do as they like!!!!
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Children learn form those around them. If these people have no respect neither will the children. It is about time people learnt how to respect others and not just treat them with the contempt often show today. A good example being when certain parents have a go at teachers for trying to bring discipline into the classroom. You mustn’t upset little Johnnie even if he is a real pain.
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Never mind asbos – what about parenting classes? There seem to be too many parents over here who couldn’t care less what their kids are doing at night.
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Totally disagree with comment 1, what planet are you on, name and shame full stop these kids are outragously rude and need to be pulled up immediately and punished at the same time, no room for chances…the island is suffering as it is…..
Police need to be more on the ball and be more visable on streets to tell these youngster know who is in charge! Time to be hard and time for the police to protect the general public….this island is suffering at the hands for little spoilt brats…..
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I’d like some of the parents to come on here and post some comments. Perhaps thay can explain why their kids have turned out this way, and what they are doing to stop it happening in the future
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Come down hard on them no second chance – get rid of the do-gooders — last chance it’s nearly too late -you have been warned!!!!!
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What is going on in Jersey??? I was here 15 years ago and the place was a pleasure! If you so much as peed in the bushes, you were in the JEP [which I thought would be great] but also threatened with being kicked off the Island. Nip them in the bud now! ASBOs?? Are you having a laugh? They are trophies. Give them real and effective deterants. That, and bringing the parents up to speed is all it will require. 2 strikes and you’re out!
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somebody must know names and addresses of these skumbags please list them happened on my estate was sorted with out police getting involved sorry to say police is the softer option now days guess what they stay well away from the estate now
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Month long crackdown? Aren’t the police bothered the other 11 months of the year? I guess not.
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we need to revise the way we deal with youth offenders. the current system has is failing to deal with the issue, and we run a risk of becoming much like the uk as far as youth crime and antisocial behaviour is concerned. Asbos and event detention are no real deterrent. we should perhaps be thinking along the lines of the USA where offenders are dressed in luminous pink jumpsuits and made to clean the streets in public. I can’t think of anything more effective to devastate a youth’s cool image than dressing up as a clown and picking up ciggie butts.
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Why not try the following. I’ve seen it in England.
Make them all wear baseball caps with NY on
the front.
The police can then recognise them as Nuisance
Youths.
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We were accosted by a group of five year olds the other day whilst in our car.
They told my wife and i to get the flock out of it
slightly modified i must add.
It was really weird being threatened by a bunch of stick weilding kids this age.
I was completely speachless.
Please cant we have a law back in to kick these kids up the jacks.
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ship em off for good!!
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Dont just blame the kids ,its about time the world cracked down on all the pc idiots who push for anti smacking and soft rules on criminals claiming breaches of human rights effectivly taking away any chance bringing up your kids with any sort of respect for others and the law and letting criminals away lightly . I say lock up a few do gooders and notice the difference
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God forbid we follow the UK’s example & introduce ASBOs. Many yobs in England compete to get ASBOs. Regardless of what politicians might believe, ASBOs are treated like badges of honour. An English Authority also published photographs of habitual ‘ASBO award winners’ presumably in an effort to shame/humiliate – it didn’t work. Yobs were falling over each other in their attempts to have their picture displayed around town.
Although they have the best of intention, the do-gooders softly, softly approach has proved to be unsuccesful time & again.
Yobs cannot be shamed, humiliated or reasoned with. They will, however, respond remarkably well to fear, pain or the fear of pain.
We don’t have to be brutal but correctly administered corporal punishment will turn these yobs into children that can be reasoned with. (Something that should have been done by the parents).
Parents of these yobs should also face the Courts.
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When I was a kid a policeman would give you a slap. If my parents found out they would give me another.
Now we aren’t allowed to discipline our kids and look what happens.
The problem is we have people having children who aren’t fit to be parents, they should never have had kids. They have a couple of kids to gain social housing and live off the state and see it as normal. Their kids who aren’t loved do as they like, the parents just want them out of the house.
If we stopped supporting young mothers in the way that we do and made them responsible for themselves there would be less of these kids being born.
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Adrian (3) Very good point. Children must not be allowed to think they can get away with things and should be punished severely at their first offence.
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Everyone knows that damaging someone else’s property is wrong and that harming someone else is wrong.
First time punish them , second time make the punishment a lot harsher.
Adults get named in the press and often even people that haven’t done anything illegal get named in the press (against their wishes) so for goodness sake just start naming these kids!
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Dave, #8. ” Dave
Posted April 4, 2009 at 6:26 pm
What is going on in Jersey??? I was here 15 years ago and the place was a pleasure! If you so much as peed in the bushes, you were in the JEP [which I thought would be great] but also threatened with being kicked off the Island. Nip them in the bud now! ASBOs?? Are you having a laugh? ”
This is exactly it. Everybody seems to be overlooking the important fact that 15 years ago problems of this extreme nature did not exist in Jersey.
If anyone wants to know why Jersey has this problem, the answer (so the solution) is shockingly simple. Just ask yourself what is so different about Jersey now than 15 years ago.
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Jeff (15) I agree totally. When I was a kid, my mum used to smack my legs for being naughty or rude, and would ground me as a teenager. It taught me the difference between right & wrong, and that there will always be a consequence for my behaviour. Sadly, parents can’t be bothered these days, or feel unable to punish kids in the ‘old-fashioned’ way
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#17, Ellen, that’s all very well, but all too often these are the kids of parents who are extremely well off and have no need for the social! These people believe they must be great parents because they are rich, they then buy their children anything they could ever want. They ship their children off to nannies who have to deal with any bad behaviour but get into trouble if they tell the child off!
These parents are often much more neglectful and much less competent than those you are referring to.
Frankly I think a kid stands a better chance if their family is poor.
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And I’ve seen in Jersey how rich people think they are above the laws that the rest of us have to obey.
They breed this belief in their children also. Fines don’t work for rich people so maybe we need to look at alternative punishments for them!
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Everyone has some culpability here- as a parent of 2 toddlers I have been horrified by the number of people (general public in the street or supermarket) who have commented if I have disciplined them in public (and I am not talking about smacking simply verbal reprimanding- along the lines of “do that again and we go home” and following through with the threat). Parents are no longer allowed to discipline without being frowned on. Fortunately I have not been unduly influenced by people interfering. However, I can see how people could be influened.
I totally agree that teachers have been undermined- “In my day”(!!) we had respect for teachers and others in authority and I intend to instill that in my children.
I agree that parents are to blame but I also believe that the message is not getting across to them- whatever we say or act in front of our children is as a role model and that starts from the moment they are born. I would totally advocate parenting classes as a way forward.
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ASOBs – As mentioned by others above – They are trophies!! Then there’s Human Rights………….Political correctness. What will it take……… I say bring back the old ways – swift discipline!!
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Don’t waste time and money on useless ASBO’s, or trophies as they are commenly known to these youths.
A good sharp shock is what they need, and their parents.
Imagine if this continues and these youths then bring children in to the world, what they will be like and more importantly, the island.
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No.1 Writes, name and shame and yet cannot use their own name. It so pathetic that these white feather commentators, especially in this observation cannot use there own names’. The Evening Post, in my most unlikely but humble opinion, should only accept comments from persons prepared to use there own given names.
I thank my parents for naming me Christopher Lamy.
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Total scumbags raised by total scumbags. Naming and shaming will not harm the shameless generation. They crave their infamy.
Jersey could be the place that sets the example to the rest of the UK by having a zero tolerance policy.
Orange jumpsuits, cleaning streets, helping in the community all under threat of a spell inside.
If you let these 10 year olds get away with this they will run further riot and knife crime will follow.
Politicians and senior Police must act now before the owners of the property being vandalised take the law into their own hands.
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#27 People have the right to comment without having to give their name.You sound like a dictator to me. I say this and I say that.
#24 did not give her name but is talking total sense. You keep doing what you are doing and you kids will be fine.
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I know that the police were called to a school the other day because two children were fighting (Teenagers) and the teachers were afraid to intervene incase they got accused of assault.
I do not advocate violence but there is no fear in our youth anymore because the police state protects them from even there parents.
We need to allow authority to inflict control over our children, to make the police able to restrain and retain them and bring back some respect for elders in our children.
I have an 11 year old and he knows how I feel, yes I punish him by taking things away and grounding him etc but he knows the law (They must teach it in school!!) he would never try and use it but when he is in his “Kevin” mood he sometimes mumbles it.
We need zero tolerance at school and on the streets, kids need to know that they can’t get away with it, at the moment they know that they can!
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A good start would be to get those in public life to behave properly and set a good example. It’s got to be bad if even primary school children are telling them to behave! Senator Perchard please take note.
He’s been named and shamed. About time unruly children and their parents/guardians were too. Hopefully it would be done in such a way as to be an embarrassment to them and not end up being a badge of honour like an ASBO.
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Chris Lamy – That sounds good but as this is such a small Island, commentators would probably end up having their homes targeted or even worse. Sadly, retribution is always a possibility so anonymity, albeit yes ok…cowardly, is the easiest and safest solution. Without it, no-one would comment about anything and at least here we can speak our minds freely so thanks to the JEP for allowing it. All comments are moderated which should cut out any libellous and/or dubious remarks but there will always be silly ones because frankly, there are a lot of silly people out there!
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White feathers? Are you prejudice against birds?
I think you need a sense of humour Chris for getting your feathers ruffled,whatever the colour.
Kids should be taught humour to be able to play and take it on the chin when someone says something unpleasant.The opposite to humour is anger and theres no doubt from this article that the kids in question are full of anger and not as they “should” be full of fun.
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Heaps of ideas above, just let the authorities decide on a small number of these suggestions and enforce them – now !!
Something that will hurt these little troublesome ‘dears’ particularly. Time past the ‘birch’ was a wonderful deterrant – but needs to be used on one of them first … may be parents watching
‘Some’ Parents are a waste of space, not all!.
Let us law abiding citizens go about our business without fear.
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These children / youths should be made to do manual labour to pay for the damage they’ve caused and the cost of policing, legal fees etc involved. It’s no use making the parents pay as these youngsters don’t care what hardhsip they bring on their parents. As most of these youths / children have never done any manual labour this might make them realise the value of the items destroyed. Not digging up the roads or breaking stones but maybe so many hours picking up litter or helping to repair the damage they’ve caused.
Parenting classes are also a good idea, as are curfews – again, breaking a curfew should lead to a fine paid by the child via manual labour!
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How about putting up some of those devices that only ears of individuals up to 20ish can here. Apparently it sounds like a constant mosquito buzz. One at Snow Hill in the evening and other sites might move them off.
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Nellie. You are right to a degree that some kids couldn’t care less about their parents, but by making the parents accountable it just might ensure that these parents finally take some repsonsibility for their offspring and make sure their kids start behaving.
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What a load of hypocrites. Many of the names have not that long ago been posting items on the poor children, locked up in Greenfields etc and shouting human rights. Now we have gad a load of vandalism and people lives have been effected they want the little tinkers locked up. What kids do need is consistency and perhaps if adults thought about what they were writing in the various blogs and put their political bigotry and hate of the so called establishment behind them then something constructive could be done. Unfortunately there are far too many who happily use children’s lives and suffering as political pawns in their bigger game of politics.
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Thirteen year olds are arrested for breaking and entering, yet if you defend your property, who is going to end up with the criminal record??? If the policing youths is not stepped up, islanders will take the law into their own hands. It’s only a matter of time….
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frankly this is another “hot air” debate…..it seems a new article appears about unruly youths and we all come on here to offer our opinions and solutions…….but nothing ever gets done about it!
This is pointless until someone with authority has the backbone to stand up for the public and stamp this behaviour out.
And Jeff (15) I totally agree….a lot of the problems today are caused by do-gooders and the PC brigade. Lets start punishing them for ruining our society with their non-sensical and completely out of touch with reality ideas!
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Some do Nellie, in a recent debate on this website some kids said we couldn’t blame their parents, it’s not like their parents want them to be getting into fights and stuff, they were very protective of their parents being blamed!
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Whilst in town yesterday a group of young lads threw a tomato at myself and my son ( age 19!) as we passed by for no reason. I shouted at ask what they were playing at- no response just laughter! if I hadnt been carrying shopping I would have ran after them to slap them! A bit of discipline is needed by the police as clearly their parents arent interested.
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ASBOs, are a great weapon in the police arsenal.
An individual who has been given an ASBO not to congregate in a group of more than 3 is seen by police in Snow Hill say, in a group of 10 rowdy but not law breaking youths.
This youth is in contravention of his ASBO so is therefore arrestable, The police can take him away, forcibly if necessary before the situation is out of control.
Let them call them trophies if it means the police can act early to stop a lot of the type of crime we are experiencing in our island.
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Police don’t really want to deal with children because they don’t have the power or enough officers. But they send 8 officers to arrest S.S.
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Scotland tried naming and shaming and kids were falling over each other to get themself into paper 1st,
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Eric, that is undoubtedly true among a certain part of society. However, given that some of these Jersey kids are ones whose wealthy parents think they are total angels… I expect their parents would be shocked and embarrassed enough to really do some parenting for once! Can you imagine Mr and Mrs well-off with all the latest gadgets and best cars and membership of elite clubs being shown up as rubbish parents? I suspect they’d be mortified.
I’m not sure Jersey is currently in the scenario where an ASBO would be seen as a badge of honour, but it will get there if something isn’t done now.
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Still no-one has explained why kids feel the need to hang around in such large groups. None of the kids seem able to explain this either simply saying ‘it’s fun’. What’s fun about it? It really doesn’t look fun at all. In a group that size nothing actually gets done, you can’t get any proper conversation and you can’t go anywhere cause you are too big a group to do so. Then you complain that there is ‘nothing to do’. Well there isn’t ‘anything to do’ for 20 people all wanting to stick together! No hangouts are ever going to welcome a group of kids that size.
What happened to hanging out with 3 friends one night and a different 3 friends the next, giving your life more variety? Are our kids really so dumb now that they can’t even enjoy having proper conversations with each other?
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My wife and I live in Manchester, and we have been visiting Jersey a number of times every year for the last twenty years. Over this period of time we have noticed how gangs of teenagers are allowed to congregate en masse
in certain areas,such as near La Fregate on the Waterfront in St. Helier. Evidence of this is usually to be seen the next day by the amount of beer tins and litter strewn around.
We are not surprised to see more and more comments on this site about unruly behaviour,and this kind of
behaviour will only get worse until the authorities crack down hard.
Also, it must be remembered that whether you call these louts teenagers, youths, young adults, young men and women, whatever, they are still actually children with childrens ideas and attitudes. A main trait of children is selfishness – just see some of the comments from these children on this site, all “me me me”.
Stop treating them as adults,ignore their moans about “we’re bored” ( a very immature comment anyway) or “we want this / that / the other” (they’ve got the new skate park and they’re still bored!).
They should be told what to do, made to listen and punished if they don’t fall in line. Treat them like adults when they start contributing as adults to society and paying taxes, etc.
Or just sit back and listen to the poor, bored little dears, keep paying out for things to keep them occupied, and just watch as they take over and create no-go zones. They will push it as far as they can.
Let Jersey decide that this disruptive element have pushed far enough, make some radical decisions to curb this behaviour,and stop this before visitors decide that they’ve also had enough.
Who knows, if Jersey clamps down hard, maybe some cities in the UK will look to Jersey as an example to solve their own anti-social behaviour problems.
I should imagine that there will be some negative comments about my views, but trust me – Jersey can’t afford to
slip quietly into the same problems being experienced in most towns and cities in the UK.
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David, you really are spot on with so many of your comments. I get annoyed when people call these kids adults, because they don’t behave like adults. Sleeping around, drinking and smoking are adult pursuits, but carrying them out does not make you an adult if your attitude and ability to handle the consequences of your behaviour is still very much that of a child.
Kids want to be left home alone, and that may all seem very well, they won’t necessarily cause any problem, but what if something goes wrong that is completely outwith their control, they need to be of an age that they will be able to act appropriately.
It is attitude and ability that makes us adults, not doing adult things!
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This problem isnt going to get any better! We really need places like Fort Regent to be restablished, but sadly Funland, Belle View Pleasure Park and Fantastic Tropical Gardens have all been replaced by either housing or buisnesses, even the toy stores are disappearing over here now, theres more furniture shops and offices than anything else!
Ok, i’m a parent myself but my children arent left to roam the streets of anight time and they do have respect for others! Some parents dont seem to be bothered about their welfare of their children especially when the island has a problem with drugs and alcohol. I have seen children drunk at the approx age of 12 yrs old on the streets. On one occaision whilst driving to St Aubins, we gave two young teenage hitch hikers a lift home to St Brelades and they were both drunk, so in one respect parents are to blame for the childrens well being! On the other hand, the island needs more places for teenagers to hang out.
Not forgetting the island IS over populated so theres bound to be more children and teenagers around. I have spoken to a number of children and teenagers, they have stated that the island doesnt have alot of places for them to go to enjoy or hang out so they are left to roam the streets in large numbers!
I dont know who’s idea it was to stick the skate boarding park down by the harbour! What a safe area for children to play, right by busy roads and especially a harbour where numerous vehicles are driving up and down especially lorries! We need an area where the children and teenagers can HANG OUT safely, an area that can cater for their needs and requirements! Surely its not too difficult to see what teenagers etc etc require today!
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Unfortunately David its all part of this greedy capitalistic consumer fueled drive to oblivion I’m afraid. Most don’t care about anything or anyone anymore. I expect things to get much worse. Listen to the intro just before Diamond Dogs by David Bowie. A very good chance this will soon be really.
People need to buck up their ideas darn quick or are they too bone idle and self serving to care? As has been said before you get the culture you deserve.
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Brutality is the not the answer, it is the problem. As I’m sure everyone advocating it will know full well.
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A bit of criminal damage here and there and some egg throwing, come on we were all young once?
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Why is it so hard for some people to understand that children are “immature-forms”, (like tadpoles). They have no sense of good citizenship unless and until it is taught to them. They need guidence, discipline and education,–by coercion if needs be. Any school child who is disruptive in class should be removed to a one-to one cell,-ie coralled in a pen. Specialised classrooms should be converted into the equivalent of egg-boxes, by means of partitioning; one child per cell,-and as there will not be enough teachers per cell,-instruction can be done by computer or by relayed speech, or by books and exercise books passed under a slot to be marked by teachers outside. This solitary confinement and Pavlovian method can be softened as behaviour improves. That will at least save having to apply corporal punishment, which modern attitudes find too squeamish,–with the added benefit of not having to touch or even look at the little so-and so’s!
Ancient Egyptian teachers used to say “the ear of a boy is on his back,-he hearkeneth when it is beaten”.–but we must not be unkind must we?
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Bruce Labey 52
And your solution o wise one ?
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I have been in this island for nearly 5 years! I can see the difference! Good manner and discipline begins at home and not at school! During my days, this inappropriate actions was not acceptable.
Excess alcohol and drugs and some busy parents contribute to this. I know life is tough and parents need to work, however there is a limit to everything in life. We choose our priority and path we take in life.
I was brought up in a family whereby did not consume alcohol or smoke. I am proud of myself and my upbringing I was given.
Drinking and smoking does not make you a real person! You can not be in control of your life if you entertain these horrible habit and of course it leads to horrible thing! At least when I go to the parties I remember enjoying myself. These teens need to be taught some lessons. We cannot afford to see the island ruined because of them! Asbo is the solution! They think they are cool but they are fools.
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It depresses and shames me that so many people seem to think that locking up children for such minor offences is justified. Jersey has more young people under the age of 18 in prison than Finland, Norway and Sweden put together and yet they have a much lower juvenile crime rate. Why? Because they operate a welfare based system not a criminal justice based system such as we have. A report from UNICEF shows that these countries are in the top ten for child-wellbeing the countries that Jersey models itself upon UK and US are the bottom two.
Yes let’s ensure that these young people are stigmatised,excluded and punished bound to work isn’t it….
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Dr Jones, I think the key word is ‘criminal’! Currently there is no punishment and the victim and/or taxpayer pays for the damage, not the parents of the children.
As for ‘we were all young once’, indeed we were, and some of us were raised properly and had lots of fun without getting into any bother or damaging other people’s property! It is perfectly possible with good parenting.
If you are willing to pay for the criminal damage costs created by other people’s kids then that is up to you, but I most certainly do not have money to spare and resent that these kind of costs so often fall to the decent, law-abiding taxpayer.
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The offences are not minor to people who have their vehicles and property vandalized or who have their night’s sleep ruined because of unruly people making a noise in the early hours of the morning.
The law has been too lenient and Jersey has followed UK welfare policies of benefits for babies, the babies are now unwanted teenagers – hence the problem
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Leah, unfortunately we live on a planet called Earth, and we are part of the Human Race. The downfall of Humans is that we are born completely helpless and often die completely helpless.
Adults are the responsible parties in the middle who have the burden of caring for the young and the old. All humans are still capable of animal type behaviour, indeed we still express the same animal characteristics whenever we become angry or scared e.t.c.
Children, as we have labled them, are not as wise and mature as adults, they never will be. Children will always do stupid things, it is part of growing up, not everyone is the perfect goodie two-shoes you were as a child, in fact I would say that your recollection of your childhood is abnormal or you have failed to remember the naughty parts.
My point is this, it is the adults to blame for the childrens behaviour, as a society we are responsible for them – can we really as a society penalise our children for doing stuff we should have prevented them from doing in the first place? That is tantamount to shooting yourself in your own foot. My point remains that we should in todays society expect some fall out i.e. unruly children. We are not a perfect alien race, we are human and we have our faults.
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Leah forseeing your response to my comment 61, I feel I have to explain that I believe we were placed on Earth by a superior alien race. Look at the evidence, the pyramids in Egypt and the pyramids in South America created at around the same time and thousands of years BC, yet thousands and thousands of miles apart.
Our intelligence cannot explain why we are born live and die, all we know is that we are here – purpose unknown. On that basis we have to get along as best as we can and we have developed religions, laws and rules of society.
To punish children and young adults for behaviour we are all capable of is cruel. Would you punish a young monkey for ripping down a tree in a forest? These possesions you have gained on earth are not really yours, the money you have doesnt really mean anything – we all have to get along as best as we can in the face of adversity. I can completely understand children breaking and wrecking things because we cannot even explain to them who we are or where we have come from. I have faith and I am not trying to make this into a religious argument so please do not attack me on this, I am simply expressing my views.
My point is that with all of the diffrent religions and beliefs on the Earth, the greed and selfishness that adults show to children, the violence, the cultures and the sex. Is it any wonder that the children act in the way they do – we have taught them this. To live in the society we have chosen to live in, we cannot expect our children to behave completely diffrently, that is hipocrasy at its best.
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50 Pedigree Bean
I totally agree, we do need to restore the amenities at the fort, something on the lines of Funland etc as it is true that there is a shortage of affordable venues for youngsters and it’s crazy that there was more available 30 years ago than there is now!
41 Leah – yes some youngsters do care about their parents but this seems to be forgotten once they are with a crowd of their peers. I do think the parents are responsible in part for the actions of their children, hence my reference to parenting classes – I feel though that the parents should not necessarily pay for the damage their offspring cause – rather that the youngsters should be made aware (through labour) just how much work and expense is involved in repairing the damage they wantonly cause.
We do need to address this culture of “hanging out” which is pointless and intimidating to many people. As youngsters are full of energy they need some way of letting off steam – safe venues such as the fort where they would be supervised would be a good starting point.
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61″ I feel I have to explain that I believe we were placed on Earth by a superior alien race. Look at the evidence, the pyramids in Egypt and the pyramids in South America created at around the same time and thousands of years BC, yet thousands and thousands of miles apart.”
I am reluctant to mention pyramids again in case I get attacked by you know who,–but I must just ask: “surely you jest?”
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60 & 61.
Please remember we are talking about unruly kids here in Jersey, who know right from wrong and should be punished for their criminal behaviour.
Your comments regarding pyramids, aliens, religion and monkeys is completely irrelevant and in my opinion total nonsense. Sounds like you’ve been watching too many conspiracy theory movies.
Why do people have to make such a big issue about such an obvious problem with easy solutions???
Simple….you do wrong & you get punished….end of.
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A piece of breaking news for you “science knows it all and we believe them” types.
In Scotland the scientists have admitted yes they were wrong. Scotland wasn’t first settled around 10,000 years ago as had been said before but actually at 13,500 years ago. Ummm interesting. What happens if this figure is also wrong?
What else might be wrong in the world of science that people believe in so strongly?
I am sure someone will be able to worm their way out of this by making up something to fit this example.
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64-absolutely correct re 60/61. But what shall we do about 65?
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This is the first time I’ve felt compelled to comment on any issue. Dr Jones 60+61 – If kids do wrong, they need to be punished. Using a comparison of monkeys pulling down trees, is utterly ridiculous
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67. –anyway,-young animals are disciplned by their parents,-eg Lion cubs; so discipline is normal in Nature,–but evidently not for human immature forms, who can do what they like.
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round the children up off the streets after nine o’clock at night and make their parents collect them from the police station and fine the parents for wasting police time.
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why should people claim off their insurance when the police actually catch the young vandels Perhaps the parents would control their kids better if they had to pay for the damage out of their own pockets
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