Constables to defend their place in the States – again

Thursday 30th July 2009, 2:56PM BST.

The States Assembly

The States Assembly

THE Constables could lose their seats in the States under reform proposals tabled for September.

The proposal is the fourth time the Constables have had to defend their seats in recent years, but this time it will be slightly different – the move has come from St Clement Constable Len Norman.

He says that some people would want to run for Constable if it did not mean that they had to sit in the States, but that others stood solely to become a States Member.

His amendment to the Privileges and Procedures reform plans would force Constables to stand for two elections if they wanted to sit in the States – one for the parish office, and one for the political role.

Under his amendments, there would be 49 States seats divided into parishes and sub-parish districts, like now, but each would have at least two Members.

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  1. 1
    Sanity

    With the Island facing an imminent recession, over a thousand unemployed and crippling cuts being proposed in key services I would have though politicians would have bigger and better things to do than start another expensive enquiry into the make up of the States, especially as there is another 2 years for such electioneering stunts.
    Before too much time and money is wasted Perhaps Constable Norman could answer some very obvious questions:-
    How does holding two separate elections fit in with the public demand for a single general election? – having two separate elections for the Constables seems to put a rather large spanner in the works of the new PPC proposals.
    If a constable did not sit in the States would his salary be paid from Parish [rates] funds rather as the tax payer who would then have to employ an additional body to sit in the States?
    If a Constable chose to sit in the States would he get double the pay? –so much for cutting back on expenses.
    Does this proposal reflect a feeling that the role of politician is grossly undervalued for the work involved?
    Who would represent the Parish system in the States? Or should the parish system be allowed to die.
    If Constable Norman thinks that he is overworked by having to cover both functions then there are many other honorary positions suitable for the part time retired person looking for a position of status with not too much work involved.

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  2. 2
    Buster Gut

    Sanity asks “Who would represent the Parish system in the States?”

    Answer – Deputies

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  3. 3
    Pip Clement

    More water muddying.

    By the time they get round to debating the proposals there will be enough to kepp them going for a few days and at the end of it nothing will be done, the stus quo will remain and Jersey politics and what is left of the febrile democracy that underpins it will continue to die on its feet.
    But the old boys and girls club with the tea room and the free lunches will have survived to sleep another day!

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  4. 4
    truthseeker

    The constables have no one to blame but themselves, policeman or politician.. both ?, they have rendered themselves not only surplus to requirement ,but have impeded the process of democracy by consistently voting en bloc thus negating any individual consideration of whatever was on the floor of the house…time moves on,and their time is done..let them stand as individuals if they’re that keen and we the people will decide.

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  5. 5
    Adrian

    Get rid of the Constables they should be looking after their own parishes and be paid by their own parishes.

    Also get rid of the 5 unelected members of the States while at it as far as I am concerned. That would remove 17 establishment people in one fell swoop, and knock 12 votes off the establish side at the same time.

    We need to get away from a defacto one party state as I see it and the sooner the better.

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  6. 6
    Simon

    Consistently voting en bloc? Heard of Hansard? Know how to use it? Have a looksee, and see whether the constables vote en bloc any more often than do the Council of Ministers!

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  7. 7
    truthseeker

    6 Simon,think you’ll find the title was “Constables” to fight ,so I left out the c.o.m which if you notice I have no time for and recognise their utter failure and am one of those who won’t rest till this failed Govt is reformed into something ,fit for purpose,with a restoration of democracy and fairness.

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  8. 8
    Nellie Macon

    6. Simon – the Constables generally vote along with the CoM apart from the odd one or two. Along with the assistant ministers this makes around 26 -27 votes straight off in favour of the CoM – what chance is there for the changes the local people are crying out for?

    We don’t need the Constables to stand for election twice – simply removing them fromt he States is all that’s required. Historicaly they were only supposed to enter the States Chamber when called to do so by the States – this is what we should go back to.

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  9. 9
    J Lamborrari

    Len Norman’s propsition will fail, partly because it’s not a very good idea (except for the removal of the constables), and partly because the States simply doesn’t have the bottle or imagination for such radical reform.

    Idealy the constables should be removed, but I’d go further and get rid of the old, out-dated parish system too.

    13 different authorities collecting the same taxes/rates doesn’t make any sense. 13 authorities policing an island Jersey’s size doesn’t make sense. And a quasi-judicial system that favours the guilty and penaloses the innocent.

    It’s well past it’s ‘use by’ date, and getting the constables out of the States is as good a place to start in doing away with it… but it still isn’t going to happen anytime soon.

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    Pip Clement

    Nellie Macon is quite right.
    Count the Ministers, Assistant Ministers and Constables on the establishment side in most votes and it is virtually 100%.
    Maybe not a party but a de facto caucus!

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