The costs of university
Wednesday 11th November 2009, 3:00PM GMT.
From Tracy Coombes and Lauren Barnett.
THE following facts may be of interest to the parents of a child wishing to attend university in the future:
• Fees currently charged to UK students for a classroom-based course are £3,225 pa and for the same course for Jersey students the figure is £8,240 pa (laboratory and clinical fees are even higher).
• Jersey students have to pay £5,000 pa more than a French or Spanish student – EU students pay the same fees as a UK student. Is this fair?
• lMaintenance grant for those lucky enough to receive a grant is £5,000 pa but, if you were to take into account the accommodation costs of approx £4,000 pa, does this mean our government is saying that £1,000 is enough to feed a student and pay flights, travel, books, laundry, telephone and insurances, etc? I don’t think so! Actually, the cost is closer to £8,000 pa.
• The Isle of Man government pay all the tuition fees for all their students regardless of income. The maintenance grant is means-tested. Maybe this is what Jersey should do.
• Did you know that in some divorced families the main carer/parent can receive a full grant based on a lone-parent assessment which does not take into consideration the ex-partner’s income (even when this is substantial). Is this fair?
• Jersey does not have the privilege of a university. Therefore we have no choice but to send our students to the UK.
• The current cost to send one student on a three-year classroom- based course including maintenance is approximately £16,000 pa (double this if you have two attending at the same time). Therefore the total cost to complete the course would be £48,000 for one student, £96,000 for two and so on.
• The UK government are looking at their fees and possibly increasing these in the future. Does this mean our fees will increase further?
• Those who pay income tax have less chance to get any subsidy than those who don’t pay/work, who get the fees paid in full and a grant.
• Jersey bases the assessment on the parents’ income, whereas the UK base it on the ability of a child. We realise that UK students take out a loan but in Jersey we are not given that choice.
I wonder if this is an issue for human rights, because each child should be given equal opportunities, as for students in the UK. It is not right that a Jersey student cannot go to university because their parents cannot afford it. This is why a grant should be available to all children, not just when they are 25 years old.
We welcome the article in the JEP on Tuesday 3 November regarding Scrutiny to review university fees.
If there is not a serious review of the law, some may feel that the only way forward would be to give up their job, go on benefits or maybe separate from their husband to get the fees paid and awarded the grant.
This would relieve the stress and worry of parents trying to find the money to give their child the right to a further education. This needs urgent attention before more Jersey students and their families are disadvantaged.
We thought we were an Island that encouraged students to gain qualifications in today’s highly competitive job market. If anyone has concerns we urge them to write to the Scrutiny office by 1 December.
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Well any parent in Jersey who gets their kids into the likes of Victoria College or Jersey College for Girls is getting what in reality private day school education at a third of the true cost with the remaining two-thirds being paid for across all tax payers in the island. So those parents should just save for University costs out of that huge transfer payment they receive from other tax payers. My sympathies to parents who aren’t subsidised by getting their kids into these two schools with regards the high university costs.
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I have every sympathy for Mesdames Coombs and Barnett, and for every citizen of Jersey who seeks a university education.
Responsibility for the current state of affairs lies squarely with the States of Jersey.
Our farseeing and prudent government decided that it wanted us to be “independent”, and not to join the European Union, thus depriving potential students of the preferential fees applying to EU citizens.
What is the Council of Ministers’ response to be? Is it going to continue with the ‘status quo’, or will it invest in our children’s futures?
Over to you, Senator le Sueur!
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Unfortunatly Jersey is not part of the UK and is not in the EU. The price of being an off shore destination.
I am a firm believer that if you can not afford it you have to work for it. If you have kids and want to send them to uni then like the americans you should start investing when the kids are younger.
The only way you will get cheaper fees is if the States fund it, but then you have the issue of why tax payers should pay.
I dont have a kid to send to Uni so why should i pay for yours?
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The cost that the UK charges the EU students is fair, because UK students get similar advantages in EU countries and have unrestricted rights to work and own houses etc in EU countries. Jersey chose and still chooses not to join the EU.
In your detailed letter you appear to have omitted the potential earnings that can be made by students working during term breaks (approx 22 weeks a year?). Social security should provide more assistance targeting temporary jobs for students. This coupled with a student loan scheme or loan guarantee scheme would go a long way to meeting uni costs without increasing the burden of general taxation further.
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#1 David Stephens
If educating a child privately costs the state two-thirds of the usual cost, under your rules shouldn’t this saving be taken into account and these parents receive more money from the state to fund university places?
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I agree that every child deserves an education but consider University to be an option rather than a right. What needs to be done is greater assistance for parents to save and borrow to ensure their children are able to fulfill their potential. For example, college funds in the U.S. are like pensions in that you can save and enjoy growth on a tax free basis. Making parents and children take responsibility for financing their education will also reduce the hoards of children who attend university with no real academic ability.
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Billybob, that’s an excellent idea. Why don’t the States of J come up with some sort of ISA type product for parents where they could put a modest amount in each year (say £2k a year per child) on which the bank interest would be tax free provided the funds are eventually used for university or vocational training costs when spent? The problem is the Jersey banks would pay the usual low rates on these deposits whereas in the UK such deposits in an ISA tend to receive better rates of interest.
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Another thought. The States should also run a student loans scheme for local students that provides a low rate of interest and could even ratchet the arrangement so that it benefits those who bring their skills and education back to the Island after university.
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3. Mark G
Fully agree that if you want uni for your children start saving early. Have to say though most of these children that come out of uni are unable to get a job or haven’t got a clue in the real world.Many are taking degrees in something so obscure that they haven’t a hope.
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Mark G. ‘I dont have a kid to send to Uni so why should i pay for yours? ‘
Maybe because one day, we, the students, will be looking after you?
Don’t come to us when you need nurses, doctors, dentists, lawyers etc, who have all gone to university.
You can’t say things like that about uni fees when there are much worse ways in which taxpayers money is being squandered.
One family I know have 5 kids, are completely healthy, don’t work, and receive all the money they need from the States.
On the other hand, my parents who work every single day (they’re farmers) struggle to send me to university.
Is this fair?
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I have not seen such an ill-informed debate since the US Health Care Reform Act was proposed.
Any place considering themselves modern and progressive should not fail in providing health care, affordable housing and education to all classes of society. These are the main areas where expenditure will improve social and economic conditions for all.
Unfortunately it seems that in the last decade, Jersey has fallen back considerably in all three areas. If it were not for the progressive thinking in the States in the 70s and 80s I think that I would have had a much less rewarding upbringing and with the current system would have almost certainly not made it to college to study for a degree.
No child should be disadvantaged in terms of health care and education. I do not see why people have a problemwith this. If you are wealthy then share a little of that in taxation to help the less fortunate.
For all of those people that moan about taxes going to students, I would say that their efforts would be better received if they complained about unecessary States expenditure and massive project overruns on States capital projects.
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I’m sure if we held a vote, an increase of taxes to pay for the subsidisation of university fees would be passed by the majority….not!!
EXETER STUDENT – University is a choice not a right. The majority of the doctors, nurses, dentists on the island are not from Jersey originally, and a few less lawyers wouldn’t be bad thing
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