Plan for nine-storey flats and shops at Castle Quay
Wednesday 20th January 2010, 2:56PM GMT.
The development will be nine storeys high, if approved by Planning
MAJOR plans for a nine-storey flats and shopping complex to be built as the second phase of Castle Quay have been submitted to Planning.
Dandara want to build 280 flats, with shops and restaurants on the ground floor, next to their phase one Castle Quay development on the Waterfront.
They also want to build a 20-metre indoor pool and intend to offer membership of a gym for all Castle Quay residents.
Dandara’s press officer, Christine Holmes, said: ‘The second phase of Castle Quay will comprise 280 residential units – 274 one-and-two bedroom flats and six three-bedroom apartments – across three separate buildings with retail and leisure offerings on the ground floors.
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lets just block everyone else view concrete jungle oh and build and new swimming pool and can have 2 next door to each other as long as you don’t use fort regent! and shops when there is still shop space to let/sell at Liberty Wharf
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I welcome the investment into the Waterfront; my only hope is that these ground floor units are taken by local businesses, not more plastic fronted franchises of international brands all owned by one or two businessmen or companies.
I think it would add far more to the Waterfront with five 20seater restaurants, than having one 100seater(brand name or not).
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This really is the pits,a change in the law yesterday to enable developers to sell the flats that are not selling currently…and by the way we want to now have more horrid concrete and glass,let’s make it obscenely too high after all we don’t give a fig about the island or quality of life we are only after profit…NO…? look at those awful flats in Gloucester st. just Hutches….and while all this is on the march the housing minister is clearly feels so unassailable as to say ,Mind your own buisness when asked why he was not present for his big change of rules,I won’t hold my breath waiting for his resignation…honour is not big on his C.V.Look at the mess you are making of our home, why must you constantly get it wrong…?
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Please NO! This part of the site should be used for a few nice french style harbour side bars/cafes/restaurants and that’s it.
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i really dont care what they build there anymore, for me they could build 100 storey flats, i never go there and never will, so i wont be spending a penny in any shop or restaurant if they can let them that is.
im way past caring but ill help pick a name for them how about j cat towers?
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An advert to follow the scrapping of the J- cat.
Always selling Jersey to the highest bidder.
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It’s not apathy the islanders’ have – it’s resignation ! no matter what the people want it always takes second place to the Money God, one year, eleven months,thirteen days,six hours then it’s up and away and back to the real world, without having to worry about how i can afford to live here!!!
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Watch this then tell me who these flats are being marketed to? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2XryElOvtM
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In Max von Aufess’ Occupation diary, he states that Jersey archetecture is appaling. That was the opion of an Occupier! Not a lot has changed in sixty five years then.
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Thank you Colin (comment 8)I have just watched the “advert” on youtube and although it is early morning and I am not fully awake I felt as if I was still dreaming.Talk about false advertising-the place on the film bears no resemblance to the Jersey waterfront for crying out loud!And why the phoney American voiceover?Utterly bizarre!
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Colin #8. Wow, what a great video, what a place to live, all that going on. I want to move to Jersey!!!
Hang on I do live in Jersey! Maybe all I am missing in my life is an American voiceover to narrate my lifestyle.
Maybe Hedley Le Maistre can do an alternative promotional video
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Colin 8.
Thanks! Hilarious!
Diaphanous indeed…there’s absolutely nothing transparent about ‘Castle Quay’!
Oh, and that ‘I-can-sell-rollerblades-to-old-ladies’ American voiceover? Unbelievable!…talk about outsourcing!
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truthseeker #3 – “to sell the flats that are not selling currently”
Go take a look at the unsold flats, they are horrible.
However the change in the law is not that material; if you have the money the ‘property specialists’ have a way around the law.
Planning – Too high, just say no!
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Here we go again.
In goes the plans for something stupidly big.
Public out cry follows
In goes the plans for something not quite so ludicrous.
General acceptance cause it’s disgusting but not as bad as the first set of plans.
It’s like watching a bad soap opera you can see the script before it happens.
In years to come hopefully the people who planned built and passed these buildings are made to carry round signs saying “Unclean” or “I wrecked Jersey”
Is it just me or should all these stupid and ugly flats should of been built in Gas Place and the park on the Waterfront?
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Does it seem o.k. to sell these proposed glass boxes to outsiders ,when we have people here who need adequate homes………? now whoever you voted for ought to have answers for you….ask them,they are obliged to furnish you with an answer……….
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I saw the artist’s projection and it looks fantastic! I wish we had a bit more of this sort of 21st century here in anally-retentive Canterbury.
Down with the old fogeys, long live modernity!
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The usual opening salvo. Submit plans for 9 stories and you will get 5 or 6.
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All these flats in a true communist style!
and needless to say someones making good out of it.”Whatever” happened to “keep it local”???
I thought Dandara were Irish? or am i totally wrong with that assumption? Is there nothing that Jersey people can do anymore? Even Jersey milk is a bit different from the days when it was the “real thing” nice & fatty it was to.
I suppose if the locals have sold there island out,they cant really complain. Perhaps they would privatise there mothers if given half the chance.
Jerseys becoming an unrecognisable enviroment.
Check out Aphex twins “donkey rhubarb” on
you tube,”thats” more the reality of the island than the American accent lead phoney that the other gentleman was refering to.
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@ mark #13
“…too high…”
We should be encouraging building vertically in St Helier, to avoid the need to build on too much undeveloped land elsewhere.
@ ashamed to be local #14
“…Is it just me or should all these stupid and ugly flats should of been built in Gas Place and the park on the Waterfront?…”
I disagree, the park should be at Gas Place where there is little open space and high population desity. At the Waterfront you have plenty of open space and a beach.
@ truthseeker #15
“Does it seem o.k. to sell these proposed glass boxes to outsiders ,when we have people here who need adequate homes?…”
Yes.
“…they are obliged to furnish you with an answer…”
Really? I think you’ll find you’re wrong again.
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@19 Dandara Developer
Is that because Walking alone St Saviours road to get to Howard Davis Park is that far away? Or Down Burrard Street to get to the Parade.
Must take all of 10mins bit further or longer you can actually get to the beach.
Now we get a harbour where the first thing people arriving in the island see is a Hong Kong style mess. Lovely just as well Tourism is finished.
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@ ashamed to be local #20
“…Dandara Developer…”
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“…Is that because Walking alone St Saviours road to get to Howard Davis Park is that far away? Or Down Burrard Street to get to the Parade…”
Well by the same logic why put it on the Waterfront, which has Jardin de Mer, Lower Park, West Mount, People’s Park and the Parade also in similar easy reach, and is right on the beach?
My thought was that if you have public spaces, it makes more sense to spread them out rather than build them next door to each other, and then increase the desity of residential areas.
Do you really think that it would be better to have ALL the housing in one part of the island, and ALL the open spaces in another?
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As an islander i have enjoyed the beauty of this island and i will still continue to despite the fact it is more built up. Town centers are there for one purpose and one purpose only “business”so there for we need these buildings to accomadate the workers/residents.
As for visitors to the island they will have fantastic walk ways gardens, restaurants, shops and bars at there disposal as soon as they leave the boat, bridging the cap between town and the harbour, from what i can remember that part of coast and harbour had always been a eyesore even from the early 80′s
fact:
If you visit any cosmopolitan city or port you will find this model of city planning and i think you will find there tourism is thriving a hell of alot more than ours.
I cant help thinking that half of the comments made towards these projects are made by narrow minded people who have probabaly never left the island.
its called progress and moving with the times
get with the programme people
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Jade Liron 22.
Oh, I must have missed the ‘glass-building gateway’ when I last visited the Cayman Islands!
I didn’t notice anything remotely similar when I was in Sardegna or Capri either, or on any other small island I’ve visited lately for that matter.
Maybe you’re not referring to a small island but to ‘Port du Monaco’…but one can hardly compare Jersey to Monte Carlo (location, weather, nightlife, etc.).
Then again, you might be speaking of the ‘old dock areas’ of large cities where, let’s face it, any development can be considered an improvement on what stood there previously.
However, I would be grateful if you could give me some examples of similar developments to Castle Quay on islands the size of Jersey…just so I can avoid going there!
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#8 Colin, thanks for that…
Still, let’s sell the ones we have first. Or how about create an artificial inlet so there can be flats more in town but on a ‘river’ (for the pretentious types that need that sort of thing) and stop blocking every view of the sea for those that aren’t so rich. As for building up, well it may seem necessary if there is to be no population control. Of course, there could just be population control! You can only build so many unsellable flats before you run out of land completely.
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#22 Jade, St Helier isn’t a port like UK ports and it certainly isn’t a city. The nearest comparison would have to be a coastal town. I haven’t yet seen a coastal town with buildings around its beach like St Helier has. Build tall buildings more inland and decrease the height as you get towards the seafront… maximises quality of life for everyone.
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Its fantastic! I’ve got me qualies (ma love)and soon I will have “me gaff”. Mind you! I waited long enough. It will soon be possible to have literally no involvement with Jersey at all as it will soon be cheaper to import your own food. I can’t wait. Taxi to the airport, walking distance to the harbour. Oh yes! before I forget english currency issuing cash machine please Dandara. Cheers
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Thanks #8 for the link.
These flats are not exactly homes for families are they! The purchasers are buying into a lifestyle, rather than a long term home to settle down and have a family.
I can understand these type of developments in London for high flyers who have a place out in the sticks and just want a London crash pad, but as your sole home, surely not.
The fact that Dandara have to run extensive advertising campaings to sell these things says it all. Property in Jersey used to sell itself. Not any more – The market has been talked up and sooner or later, people are going to get their fingers burnt.
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We’re off islanders, have been coming to Jersey 3 times a year for 12 years, and even we’re appalled! We have a boat in Elizabeth Marina, spend like theres no tomorrow when we come over, and generally love the island. Have watched these concrete monstrosities rise steadily above the marina, and just think that planners are trying to create Monte Carlo on a postage stamp! Don’t blame residents for being upset – anyone want a house exchange to the North of England?
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No.3 Truthseeker – I wonder what kind of mansion you live in when you consider perfectly decent flats to be hutches.
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I’ve seen a new flat in Gloucester Street which would be fine as a hotel room for a few days but it’s way too small to live in if you have more belongings than would fit into a suitcase or two. Fine for people with very minimalist lifestyles but not for normal people who might have acquired a reasonable collection of belongings over the years. It’s little more than a pokey single living space with a bedroom area in the corner with a glass block wall. If you tried to live with someone in a space that confined you’d never get a minute’s peace without going to the bathroom! It truly is comparable with a pet’s hutch, scaled up to human size. That is all we’re entitled to these days, apparently.
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No. 30 If you are hoarder/dust collector then a self-contained flat is not for you. Most flat/apartment dwellers have decluttered.
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Who on earth buys these rabbit hutches?
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Waterfront flats…
Its funny how all the climate chaos is no longer news. They kept saying with sea levels rising all coastal properties were doomed. Yet developers still keep building waterfront flats.
Climates and sea levels have always changed before humans came along. We are at the mercy of it, not the control of it…
As we are with the developments. FUBAR!!
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I agree with Jean Poole (comment 30)but to Toastedteacakes (comment 31)I would say that I could never be accused of being a hoarder but I still like plenty of space to live in and entertain in.Those flats are obviously designed for a single person who is out/away most of the time and simply wants a bolt-hole.I would call them bed-sits.
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#34 Totally agree Julie. It’s not good for your health to live in too cramped accommodation either, no matter how glossy that accommodation is made to appear. It first affects your mental health and that in turn takes its toll on your body. Like all animals we were not made to be boxed in.
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The flats are not designed nor marketed at families. Just for the moment, put aside that this is Jersey and look at the development in isolation.
Smallish flats, ground floor, restaurants, shops, cafes etc. Many here have made reference to Hong Kong, that is a city with a vibe, some love it, some don’t. People there live in the restaurants, the street food, the shops, the cafes, the bars and the parks etc.
Measure these developments not against what jersey needs, family homes with space, but an attempt to bring in city centre culture and lifestyle to Jersey.
Does Jersey want or need this cultural and living style shift? Demand from locals to buy will help determine this.
But family homes they are not, and Jersey needs family homes but also to attract a younger resident, it also needs lifestyle homes. Its just a matter of balance.
So maybe the powers that be need to think again. Yes Dandara or any other developer, please build these lifestyle homes, but also for every 5 flats, you must build one affordable “real” home for Jersey. Not £400k starter homes.
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I remember a protest some years ago against tall buildings on the waterfront.I thought they were restricted to 6 Stories. and does anyone remember the rigged phone-in vote by the JEP asking people if they wanted tall buildings or not on the Waterfront,and it was discovered that thousands of calls were made in favour of it,from the same telephone number,turned out it was a Dandara employee who was later ‘dismissed’.
Look at all the hype over their Spectrum development.Take a walk around it now.What a souless place.You can almost see the tumbleweeds blowing through.
Thanks for the YouTube link Colin.I think most Jersey people who have viewed it gasped in disbelief.But then again what do us simple islanders matter when there is lots of lovely money,money,money to be made.
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id love a nine story flat.
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I can’t wait for the flats and I hope they look like the pictures… I have a boat in the Elizabeth marina and having new bars and shops etc nearby would be great it feels so isolated at the moment and I am going to put my name down for a flat overlooking the marina as soon as the new development has been finalised as I love a beautiful view of marinas and think it will be a great spot down there.
As for everyone complaining, thats life, things change keep up or get out, anywhere that stays the same is very boring!
I am 30 years old now, have lived in Jersey all my life, never went to university and don’t have some high flying job! I’m single I’ve worked hard and saved and will be selling my semi in St Clement to buy one of these flats! Anyone who says they can’t afford to buy in Jersey you need to work out your outgoings and stop living above your means. My youngest brother is 24 same as me and is about to get his first place, just a small 1 bed flat but thats how it works you build yourself up slowly, don’t think because your local you deserve to buy something without working for it!
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No. 34/35 Rattling around in large properties which may require 5 times the general maintenance not to mention the heating bills in the winter and the cost of a gardener in the summer is not everyone’s idea of luxury.
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I would like to think this is the worst decision if passed by Planning on the Waterfront but to be honest is would not surprise me if they passed it. The Waterfront is awful, I never go there. Dandara get away with murder here.
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Oh come on Toastedteacakes (comment 40)who mentioned luxury?!I just don’t want to live in a bedsit and to be honest it is only in Jersey and perhaps inner cities where people are expected to live in such cramped accomodation!All praise to Dandara!
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“Rattling around in large properties which may require 5 times the general maintenance not to mention the heating bills in the winter and the cost of a gardener in the summer is not everyone’s idea of luxury. ”
Never done this in my life. I’ll only buy a house because I believe it’s cheaper in the long run, I don’t have as much money as some on here, certainly not going to throw it away on property management fees, and greedy office landlords. Small house will do me fine thanks.
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Though I doubt nothing will kickstart Mr Lambretta into accepting the truth….only his jaundiced view of the world.and for clarity..I do not live in a mansion… but a simple utility flat. the proposed development benefits no one but the greedy developers,I’ll bet you none of them would want to live in some of the rabbit hutches thay build…let’s just squeeze a few more in here a few more there….greed and only greed drives these projects,style is not even a close runner,just look at the drawing for Zephyrus no balcony by the seaside model,as much appeal as the old Nicky Park.get these people out.
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No. 43 I doubt if Dandara have submitted plans for a clutter of small houses on the waterfront. What a rediculous idea.
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@ truthseeker #44
“…the proposed development benefits no one…”
Not true, what about the future homeowners who want to buy and live in these flats?
“…a simple utility flat…”
Was your ‘simple utility flat’ built by the private sector, or is it a States developement?
If it was by the private sector, then I dare say a profit was made; and so is no different to these, in that it got built by a ‘greedy’ developer.
And if it was built by the States then it was built on the taxes of the profits of the ‘greedy’.
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I wouldn’t want to live within earshot of the harbour anyway. Clanking chains and rigging clacking against masts, the new crane makes an incredibly annoying sound, sirens/alarms and reversing trailers beeping, seagulls, boy racers screaming down the pier at all hours – you’d never get a minute’s peace!
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I wait with bated breath for this island to fall on its a** as it surely will.Jersey Sold down the river to the highest bidder.
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