This will kill both our working markets

Wednesday 27th January 2010, 2:57PM GMT.

From Helier Falle.
What a real shame discussions are being held regarding the removal of Minden Place multi-storey car park. Surely those putting these proposals forward must realise that if this car park was removed (in favour of I believe a public square), this would eventually sound the death knell for both the Central Market and the Beresford Market.

These two historical market places are treasured gems and provide a focal point for the town. Both are real working markets, something which both the States and we as an Island should try and retain at all costs. Guernsey lost their market some years ago and I know many over there are envious of what we still have.

The proposal to replace the Minden Place car park with a new multi-storey car park at Ann Street may work for commuters and for residents in the Ann Street area, but for shoppers it is just a little too far from the markets to be practical. Any proposals to create more car parking for commuters should consider extending the existing Green Street multi-storey car park and/or consider a multi-storey car park within the existing Snow Hill car park.

If the markets are to continue and prosper, they must be easily accessible for shoppers and as we are very car-dependent here in Jersey, we must cater for those who wish to shop in town by car. Nobody is prepared to walk too far these days, especially weighed down with bags of shopping.

If the States are determined to see through the removal of Minden Place car park, then perhaps a more feasible solution would be to create underground parking beneath the Central Market, with passenger lifts perhaps exiting out into the market itself.

Yes, there would be cost and civil engineering factors which would need to be considered, but the idea should at least be investigated as a possible alternative. After all, there are many cities in France where there are multi-level underground car parks beneath the markets, such as in Rennes, Tours, and Bordeaux, to name just a few.

Construction costs could then be recovered via the parking charges. In a case like this, employing French (not UK) civil engineering consultants with experience in this field would be beneficial.

Yes, there would be major disruption while the works were in progress but creating such an underground parking facility, right smack bang in the town centre, would be a small price to pay to prevent both markets ceasing trading and the Island losing something really special.


  1. 1
    Magnolia Man

    Mr Helier Falle seems to think that a new multi-storey car park will be “just a little too far from the markets to be practical”.

    Perhaps Mr Helier Falle would take the trouble to explain the logic behind that rather grandiose statement, please?

    It may well be that Mr Falle can not be bothered to walk a few extra metres from his car to the markets: that is up to him. But the last time I walked across town (this morning), from the vicinity of the Grand Hotel to the top of Fort Regent, it took me 22 minutes. I know, because I do this walk four times a week as part of my exercise regime.

    I should think that the time it would take me to walk from Ann Street to Halkett Place would be +/- 15 minutes.

    For the record, I am in my 83rd year. How old is Mr Helier Falle, I wonder?

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    Albert Salmon

    Methinks that either Helier Falle doth protest too much – or that he has a hidden and private agenda.

    Replacing the (to be demolished) Minden Place car park with an (extended) Green Street car park does not make the markets any more accessible to pedestrians wending their way through the Tunnel to Halkett Place and/or Beresford Street.

    Mr Falle is more than disingenuous when he blithely suggests the creation of “underground parking beneath the Central Market, with passenger lifts perhaps exiting out into the market itself”. I do hope that Mr Falle is aware of the huge deficit in the States’ budget *now*. Would he really wish to add to that? Has he considered the fact that his cloud cuckoo land idea would effectively killed off the very markets he wishes to save? Somehow I think not.

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    MARATHONMAN

    So Guernsey folk are Jealous of our market.get a life Mr H Falle.I visit Guernsey every week,I have family on the island.i can assure you that they are not jealous of our Island in any way.Minden place Carpark has served the island very well over the years,but now,it has reached the end of its usefulness.I think a sq,will be a very nice place to sit,and watch the world go round.mind you,i am 87yrs.

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    Warren J

    The issue with Minden Place car park is that it was badly designed from the outset, with inadequate stairs for shoppers carrying bags of shopping. Coupled with the fact that the parking spaces are too small – Modern cars are bigger and I am not talking 4×4′s. The Peugeot 207 is massive when compared to a 205, and the current VW Polo is the same size as a MkI Golf.
    The car park is therefore not fit for purpose.

    Anyway, with increaed parking charges and now ver limited on street parking, who wants to go into town to shop – I dont !

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    Carl

    I agree with the letter. If people are managing fine with the car park as it is, then there’s no need to change it.
    Congratulations to the small number of sprightly seniors who are blessed with good health, but it can’t have escaped many people’s attention that Jersey is an ageing society and we can’t all be fit – life’s not like that!
    As the average Jersey person gets older and older these carparks in the town center will be increasingly important, or the town will die off.

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    J Lamborrari

    Minden Place car park has come(passed even) it’s useful life, and is no longer fit for purpose.

    While I agree that Ann Street is not a million miles away from Minden Place, the fact is people are generally lazy, so a position nearer the centre would be preferable.

    The problem is that the planners have a problem with increasing parking in town where it causes a problem of traffic, and getting from the ring road across Bath Street is their stumbling block.

    However I personally, and with engineers I’ve spoken to, can see ways around this issue.

    I like the idea of underground parking as mentioned in the correspondants letter, but trying to build under the Central market would be more difficult surely than knocking down Minden Place and building down on that site before topping it off with a square, or other development… even put a modern design multi-storey above and below ground with greater capacity.

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