Police chief post debate next month
Wednesday 17th March 2010, 2:56PM GMT.
Acting chief David Warcup has been put forward for the permanent position
STATES Members will be asked next month to approve the appointment of David Warcup as the next police chief, after Graham Power retires in July.
Home Affairs Minister Ian Le Marquand is recommending to the States that Mr Warcup – who is currently acting police chief – should officially be given the job that he has been carrying out since Mr Power’s suspension in November 2008.
Under the Police Force Jersey Law, the debate – in which the States are being asked to agree that the appointment should be for five years, from 21 July – will not be open to the public or media.
Mr Warcup completed a 32-year career in the Northumbria police, most recently as deputy chief constable, before becoming the Island’s deputy police chief.
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What a farce and what a way to recruit for a crucial appointment.As Mr.Warcup slid in on the back of Mr.Powers suspension,he’ll be another yes man in Mr.Ogley’s mottley crew.Yes Minister again.!
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Is there an alternative? Is there a choice?
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David Warcup is the best man for the job and all States members should support this. Haut de la Garenne was a farce and this man together with Mick Gradwell took the evidence by the scruff of the neck and made some sense out of it all. So a big thumbs up from me.
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I’m sorry, so-called ‘Rico’, but Warcup would be very bad indeed for Jersey. The comments about HDLG are, as usual, troll-speak as the evidence is now out that the police enquiry was competant and well managed. That’s from no less a source than the Association Of Chief Police Officers.
Fact.
The spin against Harper and Power is just that. Spin and lies. All the facts show the spin to be part of a cover up. A cover up Warcup seems to have been involved with – as, apparently it seems, was Gradwell.
Jersey police, under Power and Harper, were being cleaned up.
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If this wasn’t so disgraceful it would be laughable.
When will those in power in Jersey realise the error of their ways and stop giving people positions on how brown their nose is?
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Agree
Took the words out of my mouth!
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Please let us have the undiluted truth this time …look what it has cost.
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cookiecrumblec I think Mr Power was due to retire this year anyway so why the concern? I don’t understand what all the fuss is about, so we get a new police chief? Big deal.
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Well thats a relief! For a moment then I thought they were going to bring Harper and Power back!
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I cant believe they are even considering this man for the post, he has a huge cloud over his actions regarding the suspension of the previous chief officer that have not been subject to any investigation. This is fact not conjecture as is evident in the transcript from the review of Mr Powers suspension that is already in the public domain.
States members must not rush to making a decision before due and proper process has been followed and the activities of Mr Warcup fully scrutinised.
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Ian Le Marquand and Bill Ogley have lost the plot if they propose Warcup. He us not the person needed to restore faith in the States of Jersey Police. Stuart Syvret is right about the how dangerous this is for the island.
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I agree with the above. David Warcup has a much better working record than his predessors and he at least cleaned up the dogs dinner up Haut de la Garenne. Its also refreshing to see that he obeys confidentiality and does not partake in 3rd rate blogs run by spin doctors.
Welcome to your new job and behalf of the real Jersey People we welcome you wil open arms.
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Boaty Boy I think the above announcement pretty well confirms that Graham Power will never be coming back.
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Stop worrying you guys and stop listening to Stuart Syvret. Since David Warcup came in we have had people tried for historic child abuse so don’t ignore that. Remember he has been in the job for 18 months and he has done a grand job. We have to get behind David Warcup and really we should be pressing our elected representatives to bring Mick Gradwell back as his second in command.
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Tony Gallichan these are pretty serious allegations here, do you actually have evidence to back up these claims or have you just been drawn in by the virtual world of the blogs and regurgitating hearsay?
I don’t agree that Power and Harper did do a good job and thats solely from the behaviour in front of the cameras and now the use of ACPO as a ‘get out of jail free card’. Totally unprofessional and totally against the grain of public feeling.
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Bob Hill is the politician to listen to, he is in touch with what is going on. Graham Power has been unfairly discredited, the ACPO evidence shows this. Warcup should not be proposed as Chief of Police, he will not sort this island out and that is what we need
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Still think Syvret is bang to rights on this one, Power had been shafted
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Bob Hill is the man, in touch with what is going on. Graham Power has been unfairly discredited, the ACPO evidence shows this. Warcup should not be proposed as Chief of Police, he will not sort this island out and that is what we need.
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So what is it about Mr. Warcup that is so secretly sensitive that the States Debate on whether to approve or not approve his appointment as the next Police Chief, cannot be fully debated in public; out in the open before those who will ultimately have to foot the bill? So much for open and accountable government.
Before debating the appointment of a second hand over priced copper to run our tiddly over hyped, over paid, police force, as put forward by the puppet minister for Home Affairs, States Members should be asking themselves: “Who is going to guard the Centurions?” States Members should be recognizing the fact that Jersey is in dire need of an independent Police Commission, one with the necessary powers, to over see all policing activities on this Island – assuming, of course that the people of this Island do not want to end up living in a Common Purpose, Matrix Trained, Progressive Police State!
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“Ian Le Marquand and Bill Ogley have lost the plot if they propose Warcup”.
How do you work that one out? So we get people coming on the Interenet and insulting the head of the civil service and the Home Affairs minister who obtained a land slide victory in the last elections who both judge Mr David Warcup to be the best man for the job! Stop throwing toys, Graham Power was kept suspended for a reason and that reason will be known sometime this year I am sure. In the meantime you should support David Warcup. Either that or put up or shut up. That goes for a few of the other moaners on here!
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We watched Jonny Depp’s Alice in Wonderland last night and funnily it reminded us of people.
Here is our cast list:
Tweedledee and Tweedledum played by Lenny Harper and Graham power; the Mad Hatter played by Stuart Syvret; the Red Queen played by Terry Le Sueur; Alice played by Ian Le Marquand and the Cheshire Cat played by David Warcup!
Well the way this story is going it all getting this way! Come on people mellow out!
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Come on! The writing’s on the wall for everyone to see.
ILM has been presented with solid evidence that Mr. Power was acting as advised by more senior and experienced officers even than him, checks and controls were made and recommendations followed to the letter. Oh Dear so ILM case 1 falls away.
I know lets start it up again but suggest that Mr Power fiddled the books or lost his pocket money earlier. That will need a few more reports an audit trail etc etc , six more months!.. remind me when does he reach the retirement date?
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At least Graham Power is honest about his retirement. See
http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/north-east-news/2008/09/21/anger-over-pay-out-for-top-cop-david-warcup-79310-21864411/
I think serious questions need to be asked about this man’s integrity before his appointment.
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Bob Hill’s one sided blinkered view of it all has already been dealt with by Ian Le Marquand Sparticus! The ACPO reports mean nothing. To try and use them as an excuse to have no involvement for heavens sake!
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Warcup should not even enter into any equation until this whole sorry affair is put to bed.
The groundswell of public opinion seems to be against him, largely based on the evidence that is coming to light on a daily basis.
If Ian Le Marquand is not prepared to take all considerations into account in his judgement of Mr Power, it is a very poor reflection of his capability as Home Affairs Minister.
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LMHO!
“Tweedledee and Tweedledum played by Lenny Harper and Graham power; the Mad Hatter played by Stuart Syvret; the Red Queen played by Terry Le Sueur; Alice played by Ian Le Marquand and the Cheshire Cat played by David Warcup!”
Very good Steve and you have the first 3 spot on!
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I just read your link and read this at the end-
“Mr Warcup, who joined the police at 18, was awarded the Queen’s Police Medal in the Queen’s Birthday Honours List. Graham Power, the chief officer of the States of Jersey Police, said: “Earlier this year, I said that I was delighted that one of the UK’s most respected senior police officers had chosen to continue his career in the States of Jersey Police. His recent recognition in the Birthday Honours List provides further evidence that he is a well-chosen successor to the current deputy and will be well qualified to succeed as chief officer in 2010.”
So there you have it, Graham Power endorsed him all the way back then. Case closed.
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Some believe that Mr. Warcup, Ogley’s dictatorial choice for the job, is the right one. Well they’re free, for the moment, to advocate such. But in the mean time let’s look at Warcup’s ‘common purpose’ record. Matrix trained to operate and manipulate ‘Beyond Authority’, he has allowed police officers under his command to break the law, lie to authorities and attempt to deceive the Royal court by introducing falsely obtained evidence – not bad for a start! No doubt and with a little help from his close buddy Ogley, he managed to have that disappointing politician fairy running Home Affairs, accept this kind of criminal police behavior as necessary and normal.
During December of last year, that politician uttered what is probably one of the worst statements that has ever been made in the State Assembly over the past two hundred years, when he stated that and I quote: “The policy is that officers should operate within the law of the jurisdiction in which they are operating, but there will be exceptional circumstances which would require operating outside the law.” Just where in GOD’S NAME did this wishy washy Minister ever get such a perverted and progressively warped idea – other than from you know who…?
Centuries ago, Thomas Moore had to remind his King, ‘That if he (the King) cut down all the laws and freedoms in England in order to catch the Devil, where would they hide when the Devil came after them!’ Think about this for a moment, because the morons sitting in the States Assembly on that day certainly didn’t bother – instead, the utter madness of this toothless Minister’s corrupt statement went in one ear and out the other to land amid the pigeon poop in the Royal Square – exactly where the proposed appointment for police chief belongs.
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No 8,I’m not making a fuss,just that any recruitment should be open and transparent and not just ” lets give the stand in the job.”The States of Jesrey needs to regain it’s credibility and handing a highly paid position to Mr.Warcup,just because he obeyed orders is not the way forward.
The fact that Mr.Power is to retire is also irrelevant.His suspension has been farcically managed,has set a seriously bad precedent and lessons need to be learnt.
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They want to re-instate Graham Power and Lenny Harper, make Stuart Syvret the Chief Minister and make the VFC Team the top journalists at the States….
“If CARLSBERG made adverts for the Syvret team they would probably be something like this”
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“The ACPO reports mean nothing” – from (so called) Rico.
The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) is the lead organisation for developing police policy in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
ACPO coordinates strategic operational responses and advises government.
ACPO coordinates national police operations, major investigations, cross border policing and joint law emforcement task forces.
ACPO designates Senior Investigative Officers for major investigations and appoints officers to head ACPO units specialising in various areas of policing and crime reduction.
ACPO is a statutory consultee.
Rico, however, thinks “The ACPO reports mean nothing”.
Rico’s various attempts to downplay the significance of a report from an organisation of such standing is disingenuous and exceedingly desperate. I am guessing that he may have his own agenda.
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Tony [4] – You state that a few well chosen excerpts of the leaked Association of Chief Police Officers report that the HDLG was conducted with integrity as “Fact”. The only “fact” is that a Chief Police Officer has deliberately leaked evidence in an ongoing investigation with the very to perverting the outcome of that enquiry. The only “Fact” would appear to be a lack of integrity, which I would consider is in itself valid reason to suspend any Police Officer.
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Jon, ACPO only guide its members. I have spoken to police officers about this. You are trying to make out that they are ruling body with over all responsibilty for Haut de la Garenne and the 2 Police officers in charge. This is nonsence and just a desperate attempt by Power supporters to worm out of a damming and factual report by Mick Gradwell. David Warcup is the best man for the job and testimony even from a post above via Graham Power proves it.
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Quote:
“the significance of a report from an organisation of such standing is disingenuous and exceedingly desperate”
Jon, I would argue that the un-authorised release of such a report which only gives a piece of the story is disingenuous and exceedingly desperate.
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Jon#31
I don’t think anybody is denigrating ACPO.
Its the drip feed of their reports via the mad hatters blog that is taking it out of context and basically making it invalid when talking about the suspension of Tweedledee or Tweedledum, not sure who is which, some help here please steve#21.
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I am trying to make out nothing of the sort ‘rico’. ACPO do indeed guide it’s members, inter alia, on matters of best practice.
Their report suggests that best practice WAS followed (they mentored the investigation at least until Mr Haper’s retirement). The ACPO report is unfortunately at odds with the mysterious ‘interim’ Met report that no-one has seen, but on which Messrs Gradwell & Warcup suggested the entire investigation was a mess, and for which Mr Power was ultimately suspended.
Haines, the authorisation or otherwise of the ACPO reports is irrelevant so long as they are unedited. They will still be what the author wrote. ‘Evidence is still evidence even if obtained illegally’ – recall that one at all ?
If there is another, legitimate, side to the story perhaps the other reports should be produced in order to balance the picture?
The fact that the suspension of Mr Power appears to based on the opinion of one man, Mr Warcup, further based on a ‘report’ only he has seen (and the authors were unhappy him using) and the fact that he then slots neatly into Mr Power’s job should certainly make any thinking individual raise an eyebrow. How would you feel if it were you in that position Haines?
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Jon you are jumping to a conclusion without having all the facts as you freely admit. These ACPO reports are, now lets be real here, outdated and irrelevant because they were put together at a time the investigation was edging onto a murder enquiry. The situation now is so very different and in anycase, as pointed out by others, ACPO cannot be used as a scape goat for what emerged afterwards. They are not there to supervise the enquire, the ultimate responsibility was held by the people in charge.
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Mat – and others. The proof is already online… Not excerpts, but the entire thing..With more to follow. If I am making libleous comments, then please, do let Warcup and Gradell sue me… I’ll happily go to court over this.
The charges brought about HDLG were through the hard work by Lenny Harper’s team. Warcup is now taking the credit for someone else’s hard work.
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Good to see some can see the wood for the trees. From what I have read from other sources I have to say I believe Mr.Power.
I have read the ACPO reports on Senator Stuart Syvret’s blog and found them very interesting. It is ashame they aren’t available on other media sites as well for the majority to see.
It appears to me as if these media outlets are unable to access anything without it being handed to them on a plate. Where are all these investigative journalists, what are they doing?
Reporting on cycle helmets and such low order things IMHO.
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Tony Gallichan I strongly recommend you read the David Rose report and also refer to the Mick Gradwell interviews. You will then find that ‘Lenny Harper’ is not as greater copper as you are trying to make out.
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The States should keep their options open and advertise the vacant post.
There are one or two exceptionally qualified people out there who may be tempted to apply for the post and, if successful, would be coming home. There is one name in particular which comes to mind. Barbara Wilding, QPM. Miss Wilding has just retired as Chief Constable of South Wales. She began her career as a Constable in the States of Jersey Police in the 1960′s and is a Jerseywoman, born and bred. She has had an impecable and impressive career serving in a number of UK forces culminating in her appointment to the top job in her last force.
There is probably one drawback in persuading her to apply for such a position. She knows Jersey and its ways like the back of her hand. Whilst she would probably welcome a return to her Island of birth. Would she be keen to rub shoulders with some of its politicians and civil servants?
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Senator Ian Le Marquand said on CTV the other night that the ACPO reports had been miss translated and spun out of control. Seeing as he is the man in charge and blogs have no power of say whatsoever on things. There you have it gentlemen. Moan all you want you won’t change anything.
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Blimey. I strongly advise readers to take a look at this article on Haut de la Garenne before making any further comment – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1086018/How-police-chief-Lenny-Harper-lost-plot-Jersey-childrens-home-murders.html
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With reference to Communist Crapaud [24] The link to the North Eastern Sunday Sun goes on to state “Mr Warcup, who joined the police at 18, was awarded the Queen’s Police Medal in the Queen’s Birthday Honours List. Graham Power, the chief officer of the States of Jersey Police, said: “Earlier this year, I said that I was delighted that one of the UK’s most respected senior police officers had chosen to continue his career in the States of Jersey Police. His recent recognition in the Birthday Honours List provides further evidence that he is a well-chosen successor to the current deputy and will be well qualified to succeed as chief officer in 2010.”
This seems a very good reference and total at totally at odds with the current conspiracy theory.
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Ian Le Marquand can say all he likes about the ACPO reports onces he has bothered to read them. Until then how can he possibly pass any judgement at all??
Talk about trying to fool some of the people some of the time…….we all know the remainder of that saying.
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Thats all it is Sanity – conspiracy theory. The Mad Hatter’s Blog has pointed the finger of conspiracy at so many people now (talking of around 40 here apparently) its just gone stupid. But more the fools for taking it all in. Nathan is right, they have no say or power, David Warcup has got the job and Graham Power is out. Love it or despise it they cannot change a thing because their influence on these key decisions in real terms amounts to nothing.
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Matt you’re post 44 really explains everything and makes a lot of sense. The final Wiltshire report on costs is going to be a very interesting read if its ever released.
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