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martin

I thought it was Gradwell himself who made the amazing attack on his fellow officers, as he scurried off out of Jersey.I think the minister has got things hopelessly wrong….again.

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Matt

Well it doesn’t take much investigation to figure out who is slagging off Jersey coppers on the Net at the moment and there is more than one Mad Hatter out there doing it. All pretty childish to most people apart from about 3 people everybody knows who still think Harper is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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Aukward

Poor delicate soul! Bless

So it was nothing to do with what he found when he actually got to Rouge Boullion then?

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rico

I thought police officers were supposed to be able to with stand name calling? Or do they just start throwing toys when you call them Lenny Henry!!!!!!

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Michael

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Senator Ian Le Marquand believes that the officer was put off by ‘vicious and scurrilous’ attacks on police officers on some of the Island’s Internet blog sites.

It beggars belief that the Minister responsible for police believes an Internet blog made a high ranking police officer leave there new highly paid employment after 4 days more likely he learnt from other officers of all that has gone on with the suspension of G Power and all the public attacks on L Harper by States members I certainly would not want to work for the states of jersey police force

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Kage

This cannot be the whole story.

So a superintendent who would have had to move to the island as well, quits after a few days because OTHER officers were being slated on web sites?
Can we know which web sites these are? Im not aware of any sites you can go to and blog about police officers. Im sure I could do it in any forum but a site that the police actually monitor?
I have heard there is a culture of bullying in the Jersey police force. Could he have seen how badly the officers operate together and packed it in?
I think there is a lot more to this story than is in the public domain. non-sense

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teresa

Is this the 1st of April? Senator Le Marquand would have us believe that SSS is responsible for the difficulty in recruiting police officers!!! He also wants us to believe that all the teeth found at Hdlg dropped by cracks on the floor boards! What next?

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Pip Clement

In the paper edition it is stated that the job was not what he was expecting and that was at least part of the reason for him leaving.
Senator Ian le Marquand should try leafing through Private Eye or The Sun.
Jersey politicians and Civil Servants get an incredibly easy ride compared with their mainland counterparts from the local media and blogs.
What do they expect?
No criticism at all!

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Phil

I am aware of the viscious attacks that have been played out in the mainstream media, instigated by Mr Gradwell and others, against Mr Harper and more recently against Mr Power. However, I am not aware of any blogs that have done this.
With such unprecedented criticism of the police played out so publically I am not in the least bit suprised that the officer in question went home.
The Gradwell TV interviews were a total disgrace and Mr Le Marquand’s recent radio interviews are also highly questionable. He really should know better.
It sounds to me that someone is trying to deflect the blame for this PR fiasco.
Public confidence. which has taken a nose dive since the suspension of the Chief of Police, is now in tatters.
It is these malicious statements as reported in the mainstream media that are the root cause. Most people have not got a clue what is being said on the blogosphere.

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anon

So the JEP plays ‘shoot the messenger’ once again. If you so-called journalists did the job you were paid for there’d be no need for the citizens’ media to do it for you.

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J G

Yea right Mr Le Marquand – you only ‘believe’ you know why he left in haste. Have you bothered to find out the real reasons??

Doesn’t quite ring true somehow.

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rico

I cannot agree with you Phil. I thought the Mick Gradwell interviews were very imformative and Ian Le Marquand was just a good yesterday. Accept it, Harper got it cocked it right up and there is no denying it.

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Pip Clement

The Minister ‘believes’ and ‘fears’!
But there is not a jot of evidence.
If a barrister tried that on in court, he would be pulled up short by the magistrate.
Underground rivers from France, police superintendents running away from blogs, giant rabbits prowling La Moye

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cookiecrumble

Totally agree with the comments re “luck escape”.!
The guy had sense and escaped when he realised Jersey is like the Emperor’s new clothes and jobs aren’t what they are cracked out to be.Also how many top people have been pushed out of jobs e.g Alexander,Griffiths,Powers,Huchet and now Ian Black off sick.Not the best environment to work in.Speaks for itself,never mind the blogs.!

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dave

maybe he is honest and has high personal standards

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9 pints of the law.

I am told that morale at the Kremlin is abysmal and have heard friends in S.o.J.P. refer to the Rouge Bouillon as ‘Fawlty Towers’. Clearly David Warcup couldn’t convince the senior Detective that things were going well in the job – he has got a hard job as the force has been hemorahaging insofar as experience is concerned. The short term visitor probably found it would be hard to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

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Mat

Supt. Paul Kemp leaving Jersey had absolutely nothing to do with the blogs! The super UK Super had a look at what Warcup wanted him to do and was on his heels. Le Marquand completely off the mark as usual and completely ill informed obviously….

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Banshee

I would be very surprised if a high ranking police officer ran away because of vicious attacks on blogs but some of these regular posters who are named and should be investigated by the police even just for becoming a nuisance and irritant towards other people. The escapees from the asylum will never win this war so don’t believe it. I am looking forward to the final outcome of the Wiltshire Report and now this so called ACPO scandal which I found really amusing to hear. One of the bloggers sounded really desperate on the radio today, calling up every day now and defending ACPO! I mean claiming everything is a conspriracy, a cover up, a set up and still claiming teeth belong to an un named missing persom! You know the usual desperate claims from a side that has almost certainly lost the fight now together with the war! It was like a Voice of Desperation and its getting funnier every day. Keep up the good work Senator Le Marquand. You obtained a land slide victory in the last elections and thats because you are honest and your record stands out. An ex magistrate will always be taken more seriously than any unemployed blogger. Its not even debatable!

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Green Bean

Good riddance i say! Doubt we want a copper in such a high position who is so delicate and cant take a bit of critisism!
Maybe he should have gone for therapy like the civil servants who got all depressed cos they saw what Syvret had to say about them!
Its all too pathetic to take seriously … and as far as Le Marquand trying to blame public internet blogs for this lame guy leaving after 4 days is insulting to the public who have a right to their view …. freedom of speech is still free even though of course the Ministers want to restrict that as well now by trying to scare people into not saying what they think! You can say things as long as the authorities allow you to!
Le Marquand … dont blame the public for exterting their right to free speech and free opinion but try looking closer at the way the police are run! That will probably be the real reason this copper ran a mile so soon!

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david brown

(29) how true.
shame we do not have a local person for the job.

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rico

He he! These conspiracy theories by the faithful are getting excited with this one eh? Malcolm is right, the first thing David Warcup dealt with was a culture of bullying and sources can back that up with ease. Now the SOJP is a much better place to work for despite what lies you read on the blogs.

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Adrian

As far as I am concerned this is a shambles, I think they need to reinstate the Chief Officer of Police.

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bridgetm

vicious and scurrilous’ attacks on police officers?

And I thought it was beceuse someone nicked his I-pod.

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fred

LOL absolutely pathetic. Just how stupid do “they” think the G.P are. I am going to employ a nothing suprises attitude anymore and just take our government for what it is, a bunch of incompetent, overpaid fools.

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vlad1m1r

Jeremy, are you serious? As a member of Planet Jersey I know that the debate can be a little heated at times but our admins can be trusted to remove anything excessively abusive or defamatory.

The idea that we should somehow curb people’s freedom of expression in order to protect a Police Officer’s fragile ego is more than obtuse – it would undermine everything the Police are there to protect!

V.

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Jeremy

Jersey Blogs are rubbish because they say the same nonsence over and over again to about 5 people despite what counter evidence is out there. Thats the real truth of it all. A paralell universe in a virtual world of make believe. If you want to know who they are they are on the phone-in 24/7 and they just need to get a life.

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Malcolm

This officer must have gone through a number of lengthy interviews, he would have researched Jersey, the SOJP, the current political and economic scene and then been offered and accepted a job.

He (and presumably his family) would have had to be relocated, re-housed and (possibly) put his kids into new schools. The whole operation is expensive, time consuming and a logistical headache.

It is disingenuous of Le Marquand to consider that he was frightened away by the possibility that he might, possibly, one day in the unspecified future, be critisized on an unspecified internet blog.

In fact I consider it an insult to the public’s intelligence that Le Marquand even suggests it.

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Malcolm

“despite what counter evidence is out there”

Exactly what counter evidence Jeremy? Please provide it.

(Psst…By the way – State denial is not evidence.)

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The Jersey Bull

The more those in government drift from the truth, the more they will hate and punish those who speak it – or Blog it! Needless to say, freedom of speech and expression must, whether or not they like it, be protected at all costs.

According to the ‘in-house’ article: ‘Senator Ian Le Marquand believes that the officer was put off by ‘vicious and scurrilous’ attacks on police officers on some of the Island’s internet blog sites’. That said, may I remind everyone that this is the same wishy washy Minister who got up in the States Assembly last December and announced to his fellow members that it would be quite acceptable for the Police to be allowed to operate “outside of the Law”! Proof that this Island is in desperate need of an ‘Independent’ locally nominated and elected, Police Commission – either that or be prepared to live in a Police State where free speech is banned, if not stifled.

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Chris

Coming from outside he could see it all – that Jersey Police & justice system is a farce. One law for ‘establishment’ and other for hard working people… Chasing ordinary bloke for petty offences (imposing big fines & threatening with custodial sentence) while big fish and seriously violent criminals walk away free…
Taxpayers do not want to spend money for this sick system.
(And promotion in Jersey Police should be done internally! I do not recall any Jersey policeman offered high rank job in Metropolitan Police)

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Pip Clement

‘That said, may I remind everyone that this is the same wishy washy Minister who got up in the States Assembly last December and announced to his fellow members that it would be quite acceptable for the Police to be allowed to operate “outside of the Law”!’

One could argue that the law fairly enforced and without fear or favour so that even the state itself is subject to the law is a cornerstone of a modern democracy.
Perhaps Senator le Marquand as a lawyer and magistrte would like would like to explain how his duty to uphold the law is compatible with his belief that it is capable of being broken when it is expedient to do so.
Obviously criminals have to be caught and convicted but it has to be done within the law, how else can the police and courts hold lawful authority?

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Hedinda Sands

Hello there Tony Gallichan (61), I’m Hedinda Sands (59) -not my real name -or age !
Great comment Tony – probably won’t shut up those too deep in denial -good contribution to the debate though.

You are right; I do not use my real name because I AM scared of loosing my job or my home. (Sorry, I am not a brave woman)
I am not scared of being sued because I avoid slander but what REALLY scares me is the possibility that my children might be taken into “care”.

Ref “a decent UK court” : The crucial word is “decent” rather than “UK”. Most jurisdictions have a poor record of investigating and prosecuting
historic abuse.and the UK is no exception. One problem is that it involves local authorities recognising and then investigating their own shortcomings – and almost inevitably putting themselves at risk of paying damages -not much of a motivation is it?

Like yourself I would currently have more confidence in a UK court at the moment where the judiciary seems hopelessly compromised

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Kevin

I just cannot believe some people are suggesting our Home Affairs Minister who was once a magistrate of the court is involved in a scandal. Maybe it just shows the level the Jersey political opposition is prepared to go now in order to get attention?

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Sanity

Blue Knight [63] Keep up. Senator Syvret has explained that he has evidence that all these institutions, the UK Government and probably the whole EU have all been infiltrated by our evil demigods aka the oligarchy.

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Blue Knight

BS Deluxe # 64 – You’ve got the wrong Paul Kemp. The retired Superintendent does not come from Jersey; there is however a P.c.in the Island who goes by the same name – a good man.

Tony Gallichan # 66 – I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for that to occur. I suspect much of the evidence is anecdotal and not admissible in a court of law.

Historical abuse cases are notoriously difficult to prove, often with little corroboration and rarely any forensic evidence to help substantiate allegations of inicidents that occurred many years ago.

Research has revealed a number of social and cognitive factors that can subtly influence and powerfully distort the perception, memory, and recall of an event. Furthermore in many cases the reliability of eyewitness accounts can be affected by suggestion and personal biases.

By releasing too much information to the media, there is always potential for defence lawyers to infer that media hype assisted witnesses in inventing false accounts.

It is my contention that Lenny Harper employed a flawed press strategy, which ex-Detective Superintendent Mick Gradwell recognised. I also imagine the now retired Detective Superintendent Paul Kemp saw the potential for major problems resultant of the earlier erronous press strategy. That may have been a contributory factor in him not wanting to take the now poisoned chalice.

I have spoken to a number of recently retired and current police officers, who mostly all agree that the H de la G case was mishandled, but due to their professionalism they have not discussed specifics.

Never in the field of policing has so much controversy been caused by so few. It will take many years to repair the damage this has caused.

From my own experience I know that the Children’s Service and police have a history of vigorously investigating allegations of child abuse over many years. There is to my knowledge not one shred of evidence that officers intentionally swept reports of abuse under the carpet.

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Sanity

When the claims of mass murders and ritual abuse at HDLG first hit the headlines it was a shock that such things could happen in such a small community without any rumour or report of any kind, and let’s face it in Jersey nothing happens and stays secret for very long. The impression I got in those early days from news reports and the interviews from Lenny Harper were that the Police investigation was being given top priority in resources and funding and the subsequent estimate of £12 million certainly supports this view. That no evidence of murders or mass graves were found after many months of digging and searching should have been the end of it and I cannot accept that there was some hidden agenda being played out by Lenny Harper. That by this time Senator Syvret had also jumped on the bandwagon, despite being the Minister responsible is no coincidence. Of course he was sacked but if he had had any integrity he would have resigned. The subsequent failings in the heath department and the resulting deaths are evidence that this was the correct decision should themselves disprove the conspiracy behind his dismissal to all but the most irrational mind.

That both our Child Protection and our Health Service have made such huge leaps forward since his departure suggest that perhaps the problem was not the staff or the systems but down to a failing of the person in charge.

That Senator Syvret has since fled to London, apparently in fear of his life from our all seeing, controlling and corrupt oligarchy is laughable. In one breath he accuses most States members of not being able to organise the proverbial party in Ann Street, whilst in the next they are some dark and sinister collection of the most genius and evil of minds successfully conspiring to control not only Jersey but also now the UK Government. Whilst I subscribe to the former both cannot be true. If he puts such fears aside and returns next month to collect his £40k perhaps may end the debate.

Unfortunately the accusations made in his blog go far deeper than just insults. To publicly accuse, is seems EVERY person who has is some way upset or criticized him of such heinous crimes as child abuse and rape is not an expression of free speech. That he write his blog under his title of a Senator in the Jersey Government gives a perception of some legitimacy and I cannot not understand why it is that those so accused cannot sue his employer, that being us the Jersey tax payers as would happen if a Director of a major corporation were to make such allegations in the name of his Company. Indeed I think the States should either take responsibility for such conduct of one of their members, or remove him completely from post in the public interest. The comment that a perspective candidate for Chief Police Officer MAY have been put off coming to Jersey is in my opinion a very fair statement given the above. That Senator Le Marquand was not even a States member at this time must put his comment into perspective and further indication of just how desperate those conspiracy theorists whose only agenda appears to be the destruction of Jersey and our independence are to keep their cause afloat.

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Hedinda Sands

Hi, Pip Clement (72)

If only the world were so.

Law, like politics is an adversarial business.
Generally there are two sides saying largely contradictory things and it is just not possible for both sides of a contradiction to be true.

Questionable practice in law is as old as the hills. There is even an ancient word for it -do a web search on “shyster; definition”

Personally I would also like politicians to tell the truth and act with integrity – at least some of the time.

Mucky, isn’t it.
Let’s hope for better at the next elections.

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Hedinda Sands

Matt (73): “Why did he run away from the court charges if so innocent of them?”

Something to do with his “public interest” defence being disallowed (another “neutral act” no doubt).

Is it only in Jersey and in banana republics where “public interest” is not considered relevant ?

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Adrian

Sanity “Of course he was sacked but if he had had any integrity he would have resigned. The subsequent failings in the heath department and the resulting deaths are evidence that this was the correct decision should themselves disprove the conspiracy behind his dismissal to all but the most irrational mind.”

Do you only hold the politician in charge of any given department solely responsible for wrong doings in their department? As far as I am concerned the management is also responsible. If they are then why haven’t they been dismissed from post yet IYHO?

In your sane and rational mind are you saying that if this politician hadn’t been in charge that these incidents wouldn’t have occured and the management would have been better?

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No man is guilty

I don’t reckon it all boils down to people coming forward to clear themselves after 2 years of slander because how many people are we talking of here – 30/40? For them the proof is really all down to whether they have been charged with a crime since his accusations appeared and the fact of the matter is that not a single person has. The law states that people are innocent until proven guilty and not only does Syvret trample all over many peoples human rights but he cannot even come up with evidence to prove guilt when challenged to.
So what does that say about the accuracy of his information and also the kind of people who regular join in on his blog then?

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Leah Holmes

“A SENIOR UK superintendent walked out of the States police less than a week into the job after realising he had entered ‘the eye of a storm’, THE HOME AFFAIRS MINISTER HAS CLAIMED.”

“Senator Ian Le Marquand BELIEVES that the officer was put off by ‘vicious and scurrilous’ attacks on police officers on some of the Island’s internet blog sites.”

So basically it could be that the man never even saw or heard about any blogs whatsoever, and our politicians could just be looking to throw more mud at Syvret. I’m not a Syvret supporter but nor am I stupid enough to accept a reason for this man’s departure from anyone but the man himself! A lot of the news of late seems to be trying to generate mud-slinging at anyone other than our current politicians, when the people that are actually harming this island are the politicians themselves!

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Chris McCunnie

Do you laugh or cry?

But Jersey has to be the only place in the world at the moment where there is an exciled Senator who uses a third rate internet blog (not even a proper website) to insult and ridicule people within the media, within the States, within the Public, within the Civil Service, Judges and Lawyers and even Police Officers for no justification whatsoever but simple paranoia.

Don’t the hand full of partakers of his blog who blow him kisses to him regularly not feel stupid yet or do they just hate everybody in Jersey like he does?

I was just spot checking a number of threads and its the same people that always congratulate him and they even give their real names. Very sad indeed.

What outsiders looking in think of all this and that includes ACPO is the Million Dollar Question because I doubt anywhere else in the world has a ridiculous situation like this one.

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donald pond

For the avoidance of doubt in my previous post I wasn’t intending to imply that I was the best lawyer in the world. I’m not even in the top 10 in my parish.

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Don Move

Mr Pond. It is you who is wrong so I agree with your parish’s opinion. I hope you were never instructed on criminal cases.

Whilst everyone is, technically, entitled to have a lawyer present at a police interview, under the legal aid scheme that is not the case.

It is the Legal Aid scheme that I was commenting on and critisizing for being non-compliant with the ECHR.

This is from Code C of the PPCE Law.

“A person requesting legal advice shall be informed that the Duty Legal Representative Scheme operates between specified hours (as agreed by the Law Society) other than in exceptional circumstances where the subject has been arrested for a serious offence (for example, murder or rape). However, this does not prevent the person from contacting his or her own legal representative between those times at his or her own expense.”

Don’t take my word for it, if you want confirmation of this just call the police station or the Acting Batonnier and ask them what the rules are.

Since you ask, the other option would unfortunately be to comply with the European Convention on Human Rights, to which we have signed up, and place the obligation on the State to provide free legal assistance to all rather than on the law firms, who incidentally, have no obligation under the ECHR. That probably means that taxes would rise.

The trade off would mean that people’s rights are protected. Not everyone who is arrested is guilty. That might surprise you Mr Pond, given your rather glib response.

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Blue Knight

Don T Move # 79 Surely if the Criminal Justice System in Jersey is non ECHR compliant the Home Office, or Ministry of Justice would do something about it. Or the European Court of Human Rights itself would comment on such matters.

I can’t agree with your assertions that people can not get a fair trial in Jersey. Why don’t Mr. Syvret’s supporters start a fund to pay for his defence? If they are confident he would win then they’d get their costs paid back. I am sure there may be any one of a number of up and coming Advocates, who would love to make a name for themselves defending him – that is unless they believed it to be an open and shut case.

P.S I am a fan of Donald Pond, he is my kind of Lawyer – pragmatic and with a sense of humour. By the way who is Dave?

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Adrian

donald is female because she is mad foetus’ wife allegedly from a previous posting I believe. Maybe donald would like to confirm or deny this?

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Chris McCunnie

truthseeker the behaviour on blogs makes no excuse for whoever you believe in the Power/Harper/Warcup/Gradwell/Ogley/Le Marquand/Le Sueur shenanigans.

Like I said in my post we must be the only place in the world who has a Senator using a blog to insult and slander Jersey people without even a fair trial. In any democracy there is no excuse for this behaviour from anybody never mind somebody who proclaims to be in politics for almost 20 years. Its embarrassing for Jersey and puts the Island‘s politics into disrepute.

Just imagine if there were more politicians behaving like this and idiots joining in to match? Jersey would be an even bigger laughing stock than what it is now.

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mad foetus

Adrian,
Donald Pond is a very naughty boy.

Happy now?

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Don Move

Blue Knight,

You said “I can’t agree with your assertions that people can not get a fair trial in Jersey.”

I didn’t assert it. I was merely pointing out to you the reason the Senator says he was in exile and to counter your rather crass understanding of the issue. Unless your comment was tongue in cheek of course.

You raise the question; why doesn’t someone do something about it? Good question. I would hope that these things are being looked at but I suspect it boils down to one thing. Funding.

You also ask ‘who is Dave’. Dave is an ex policeman who often posts on here, on this kind of topic, with your kind of views, who posts under the name Blue Knight. If that is not you I apologise for being suckered by the glaring coincidence.

Mr Pond. You clearly have no concept of the phrases ‘effective representation’ and ‘human rights’. I for one am glad that there are some lawyers out there that do.

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Jamie

Chris McCunnie is right. If people are accused of crime yet never charged then the finger pointer has to be making it all up. This has been the biggest problem for the police with Haut de la Garenne, whats authentic and what hearsay? No wonder so many cases were thrown out.

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Boaty Boy Paul

I agree with Anon with the importation of Police officers costing this Island a fortune, I mean, how much money have Harper and Power cost the Island with their shoddy police work?

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Blue Knight

Don Move # 98. I don’t believe my understanding of the incident is crass at all. Everyone who posts comments on this site, has a right to give their point of view and if that conflicts with yours, then that’s just something you’ll have to accept. Freedom of thought and freedom of speech is enshrined in the Human Rights Act 1998. As for my identity; that’s for me to know and you wonder about, but my name isn’t Dave.

I have to agree with Anon # 101. Policing in Jersey is different to policing in the U.K., with the necessity in Jersey for the professionals to cooperate with the Honorary Police, who in many instances have primacy over the States of Jersey Police. I imagine ex Senior U.K. officers find this a difficult concept to accept.

Jamie # 100. Unfortunately what is admissible evidence and what is inadmissible, is a pain in the buttocks, but it is there to protect against injustice. There is a saying, ‘It’s better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man be wrongly convicted’

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Elaine

This is such low quality reporting. In this report http://www.thisisjersey.com/2010/03/23/the-policeman-who-left-top-job-after-days/ Elaine Byrne stated ”
The JEP has been unable to contact Mr Kemp”. It would have looked far better to try a little harder to trace Mr. Kemp and ask if he would be willing to share his reasons for resigning, albeit he may not be willing to. As a ‘JEP’ journalist, I think you are happier to just let the public decide his reasons, which is completly unfair on Mr. Kemp, and Mr. Syvret who is now being blamed. I doubt very much that Mr. Kemp has gone into hiding. I can think of many reasons that may have contributed to his resigning, none of which have even been considered on this thread, and I will not relay them, because it would be theorising and guessing, the same as all the rest of these posts have done, and seemingly what Senator Ian Le Marquand has done too. I would prefer to hear from Mr. Kemp himself, if he was willing to enlighten us all. Try a bit of real journalism JEP

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Sierra2

Another indictment on the mess Harper left behind. That is a UK officer looking for a tax efficient temporary career change in an idyllic location only to find the total rats nest of lies, deceit and dishonesty that have pervaded this entire investigation until someone retried and Gradwell had to try and make a silk purse out of it. Even then, too much for a proven detective, unlike Harper who knocked away the foundations of a good case on his amateur background

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Adrian

rico do you know what a doppleganger is?
Do you get paid for this or something? I am beginning to wonder…..

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truthseeker

94 Chris McCunnie…if you really think this is the only place where politicians blogs operate….Go see the world.

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C Le Verdic

“As for my identity; that’s for me to know and you wonder about, but my name isn’t Dave.”

I always assumed that Blue Knight’s first name began with Z.

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Blue Knight

Sierra2 # 108. I couln’t have put it better myself, but watch out Don Move is likely to criticise your comments. He will also identify you as a former cop because of your callsign.

Usually detectives play their cards close to their chests and are a little more circumspect than the guy you referred to. He went around bleating about his investigation and appeared like an egocentric megalomaniac relishing the limelight. It would have been far better if he varified the facts before presenting them.

His actions are likely to have severly jeopardised any realistic chance of finding out whether there was any substance to the allegations that were being made.

An accredited senior investigating officer, more conversant with up to date methods, would have done a better job. Detective skills are perishable
and whilst Mr. Harper may have had successes earlier on in his career, we have come a long way since ‘Life on Mars’ or ‘Ashes to Ashes’ when accreditation was unheard of.

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Blue Knight

C Le Verdic (see the verdict?) 114. Keep pushing out the Z’s ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ You’ll be calling yourself Sue Denholme (pseudonym) next. Probably a disiple of ‘Inspector Clouseau’; but maybe he would have had more credibility dealing with H de la G.

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Helen Back

As most people have not noticed in the report above, Ian LeMarquand believes it was bloggs that put the new superintendant off! This is the typical Jersey way! It has to come from the horses mouth before it becomes fact!
Did the superintendant say this to anyone! NO, Did Ian Lemarquand have proof this was the fact! NO its all speculation. Normally speculation in a situation like this means there is a cover up of the truth! I would love to hear the real reason for his departure. I mean If Ian Lemarquand said in the report, i was told by the departing officer it was due to bloggs then fair enough, but if anyone can tell me where that is stated because i can’t find it.

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rico

Blogs are like scratched records especially in Jersey. ACPO reports and meeting minutes. Yippee! One day the penny will drop that they have no control over what goes on in this Island and thats that!

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Hedinda Sands

Hi donald pond (123)

When we are selectively fed information by the authorities, and to some extent the local media, there is little option left but speculation and information published on blogs.
Information that would OTHERWISE REMAIN HIDDEN and has probably been obtained and provided with very meagre resources.

Ian Le Marquand, as the Home Affairs Minister, should have an interest in policing on the island – part of his job I would have thought !
When the (proposed No2 most senior ?) police officer on the island leaves after 4 days Ian Le Marquand did not bother to find out why ???
We are left in position of questioning his veracity or his competence (or both).

When lawyers get involved it is would appear that it can be to the detriment of clarity and the truth (ultimately or immediately ?).

The law can be a mucky business – I am concerned that perhaps wading in the cess pond too many years leaves one unable to smell something that is a bit iffy -and probably even stinks !

I am glad “Helen Back” (120) made you laugh with her “speculation”; didn’t find it funny myself – perhaps you should get out more – maybe get some fresh air ?

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Hedinda Sands

Hi “Helen Back” (120) Nice post. You made “the arrogance of the law” laugh.

“donald pond” used his £400 per hour [+inflation+50% etc?, see(85)] legal mind to pick on your phrase :
“Did the superintendant say this to anyone! NO, Did Ian Lemarquand have proof this was the fact! NO its all speculation.”

Your post went on to say:
“I mean If Ian Lemarquand said in the report, i was told by the departing officer it was due to bloggs then fair enough, but if anyone can tell me where that is stated because i can’t find it.”
(very precise, the bit; “by the departing officer”)
I would humbly suggest that this phrase makes your post, taken in it’s entirety, look reasonable ,well balanced and polite, People are of course entitled to alternative opinions.

Is it a shyster tactic to stir the murky pond to fog the issue – dirty job, does someone really have to do it?
Fog the issues and you are in danger of missing the point. I think “ILM” (or is it “ILS”) may have made that mistake in his suspension review hearings (now published)

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truthseeker

Rico…scratched records and blogs…… who is the montonous one now..? at least turn the record over… getting very sad.

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Dunstan Hearing

Now I know what to do if I ever get chased by a policeman.

Just produce a lap top with some rude words and the poor officer will die of fright.

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Andy

Look no further than the Freemasonry movement.

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rcio

What is ‘Team Voice’? So are you saying that if somebody else is called Stuart that they are a Troll as well then? I think Blogs are rubbish. If you want proper truthful reporting stick to media suppliers like this newspaper. Blogs copy and paste un-interesting minutes and e-mails that mean nothing to the authorities and nothing to the people who read them.

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Harry

Matt and Ian le Marquand obviously have not read the A.C.P.O reports – these are professionals commenting onm police work not some troll and a Minister who thinks he is much brighter than he really is!!

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rico

You have got to laugh though. People like Harry seem to think the ACPO reports are the reason Power could sit back and do nothing whilst Harper was harping to the National Media like a canary!

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Becky

A classic on yesterday’s phone-in “instead of dreaming up all these conspricary theories why not try getting off benefits and getting a job!”

Too true I am afraid Team Voice, too true!

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Hedinda Sands

Hi Becky #140,

Thanks for your (broad minded?) contribution.

May I be so bold as to draw your attention to my last post #139 as it was probably stuck in the ether with the moderators while you were considering your own post #140. – perhaps I am clairvoyant knowing that “conspiracy theory” would be the next hot thread -No just serendipity I think.
(On the subject of this being a moderated forum I would like to mention that one of my posts #64 was edited/truncated by the moderators and so lost some of it’s clarity)

Also bella #141 seems to have something relevant to say on the subject of “get a job”

In case you are wondering I have nothing to do with “Team Voice” and yes I do have a job (if you feel that is relevant)

I have never met, but I have some knowledge of just one of the individuals involved in “Team Voice” and interestingly they DO seem to have a job !

I have come across the various web presences of “Team Voice” and I have to say they are quite impressive and well put together and hardly look like the work of a few “sad spongers”. These things take commitment (and yes, precious time) so hats off to them I say -even those not in gainful employment.

Becky, you say: “Too true I am afraid Team Voice, too true!” – Your knowledge of “Team Voice” obviously far exceeds my own so perhaps you could enlighten us with robust and non-partisan information- obviously without falling foul of any privacy issues or “data protection” legislation -Wouldn’t want you “doing a syvret” !

Thanks for the heads up on “yesterday’s phone-in” – talkback presumably, I missed it but I will have a look for it on line.

Good luck to the apparently one armed caller finding a job and “getting off benefits” and good luck to you discovering an open mind; it’s in there somewhere !

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hannah

@becky

Just what we expect from someone who has little no compassion for those who are less fortunate than ourselves. This man is disabled!!!!!!!! only has the use of ONE ARM. How dare you and JP open your mouths and slate a man who has more compassion in his only little finger than you will ever have in a life time. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, but of course you won’t be, like the rest of Establishment supporters you stick your nose in and come out covered in brown stuff before you know the facts, even when the truth is told you do not believe it. Par for the course – no wonder the Policeman left he realised all too quickly what a load of small minded half wits the Island of Jersey is run by and wanted to know part of it. There are still some honest and decent coppers around.

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Adrian

Ah! “conspiracy”. This is a word that the authorities love. You can use it to rubbish anything you so desire. Unfortunately some will still vote for the “same old” even when things don’t add up.

Yes I heard Senator Perchard and his put down. Not a clever thing to do when the elections aren’t too far away IMHO. Hopefully this will help him get deselected in the near future. No doubt if this happens some will think there was a conspiracy to get him out of the states!

As per the A.C.P.O. reports it is good that one Senator can publish them on his blog for all to read (except for some who apparently refuse to read them), and it doesn’t cost Joe Public a penny either!

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truthseeker

What size shoe does Jimmy Perchard’s mouth take I wonder,he must go home and bite his lip or is he so thick skinned as to be oblivious,he tells the Father of the house in the house,To top himself,then denies it ,then after much pressure admits it,would not apologise to the lady on T.V. now tells a disabled man to not have an opinion and go get a job..it did not go far enoough last time,Perchard should stand down,as unsuitable what a loose cannon, we do not deserve to be represented by someone who clearly has no self control or understanding of how things work.

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Matt

No I reckon his outburst was bang out of order and it doesn’t matter what side you are on, he should never of said that to a live caller on the radio no matter what. I think well I know that more people than normal are on Neil’s side on this one because it was wrong.

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Hedinda Sands

With thanks to “Not a chance”:

“In the Sunday phone-in on bbc radio jersey a member of the public phoned in and was critical of the fact that Senator Breckon’s original proposition had been defeated. The caller then asked Senator Perchard if, in the light of the damning JCPC report, he now regretted voting against this proposition.

If the response given by Senator Perchard is indicative of the attitude of those who voted “contre” then Senator Breckon stands zero chance of success, no matter how convincing his case.
A transcription of the recorded interview was made and this is exactly what the Senator said in his reply.
“Good morning … err … XXXX … umm … you really are a bit of a conspiracy theorist aren’t you really … umm … I hear you regularly on the radio and … umm … I am not quite sure what motivates you and … umm … I think you’ve probably got too much time on your hands and … umm … I think … err … like many people who are unemployed and on benefits you’d probably be better off getting a proper job and … umm … not having so much time on your hands to develop and … err … ”
Unsurprisingly Christie Tucker stopped the Senator from continuing at this point so we will never know what further insults were going to be levelled at a member of the public who dared to question the wisdom of those who had voted aginst Senator Breckon’s proposition.
Given the seriousness of this case, the response from a former minister for health takes the reputation of our decision makers to an all time low. I don’t hold out much hope for Senator Breckon’s chances.”

THIS BEING REF:
LAST week’s revelations that child protection services failed to stop a boy being abused (sex and physically) and neglected for 12 years

rico (THE TROLL’s) comment was:
“We don’t need anymore enquiries! We seem to be getting one suggested every week so no wonder this Island is going bust. The problem is now solved and more so since they found the right people to run the show!”

We hope you don’t actually believe the things you say “rico” – wasn’t it decades of this sort of complacency that got us into this mess !!

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