Abuse inquiry: Power ‘at fault’
Thursday 1st April 2010, 3:00PM BST.
Graham Power.
SUSPENDED police chief Graham Power should be disciplined for failings in his supervision of the investigation at Haut de la Garenne, the Wiltshire Constabulary report has recommended.
But the report has taken so long that it is now unlikely that a full disciplinary hearing will take place. Mr Power is to retire in July.
The Wiltshire Constabulary’s report has not yet been released, but the JEP has discovered that in its present form it criticises Mr Power’s performance in relation to a number of areas of the inquiry.
Criticism is made about the way in which the investigation at the former children’s home was described by the police to the media and the financial management and organisational structure of the investigation.
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April fool!
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It is about time the whole shocking truth was made public, even if it is just to shut up the Syvretites who live in denial. This is the Wiltshire Constabulary’s report guys but no doubt some blogging muppet will suggest they have been leaned upon!
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Well if this is the professional conclusion then I will not be voting for any States member that has openly supported Graham Power through this because I now question their judgement and for once the COM have been shown to be absolutely right from the offset.
Good luck David Warcup in your new job.
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we now know why Power retired early saves disiplinery action. having had the report since november who now can blame senator Le Marquand for his threat to resign if the states do not back him i do hope that this island never again enlists the likes of Harper and Power again
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Why only half of the picture Mr Le Marquand and JEP.
This smacks in the face of the ACPO reports which Mr Le Marquand says he has not read, and were also supportive of the handling of the case, and furthermore showed that all their recommendations had been followed and completed!
So, back to you Mr Le Marquand and JEP!
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Well I hope they do not allow him to disappear into the sunset with a full pension and golden hand shake. In fact I would like a States member to now qeustion whether his salary during suspension should now be clawed back. This is appalling and shame on all the fools who thought they knew better.
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APRIL FOOL!
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The words “foregone conclusion” come to mind!!!
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surely whilst there are two ongoing and unconcluded live investigations taking place into Mr Power initiated by the authorities, the authorities should not be using the media to air carefully selected details?? The Home Affairs Minister of all people should know about ECHR and right to a fair trial!!
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No surprise here really,most sensible people knew this anyway as not least it happened on his watch.
So much for Bob Hills bleatings about misscarrages of justice, perhaps he should consider apologising to the Cheif Minister and stop trying to relive his past life as a policeman
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April fool lol! Well the States members who have been standing shoulder to shoulder to Mr Power lately do look like fools.
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I can think of 5 backbenchers and 1 constable who have been making a meal out of this suspension and trying to convince us all that Power was being used as a fall guy. Well the challenges against them in the next elections will be made and boy they had better get their stories right at those hustings because this has blown up in their faces big time.
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I would like to remind the JEP that the report from Wilts under normal circumstances will have recommended that there is a case for Power to answer and that he has not yet been found guilty of anything.
This article is already assuming his guilt; [Power] ‘should be disciplined for failings in his supervision’
It is up to the panel hearing the allegations to decide whether or not he is guilty of the alleged offences.
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Has the JEP managed to secure a copy of the A.C.P.O. reports yet or are we still dependent on a certain blog for these?
“financial management” in what context? I presume they mean the state’s over seeing of money spent here? If they do then it falls squarely onto the shoulders of those in charge at the time IMHO.
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I can recall before Mr. Power arrived in Jersey, a senior member of the civilian staff at Police H.Q., got in touch with their opposite number with the Strathclyde Police and made a few enquires about him. The forecast of what it would be like under his command, turned out to be pretty accurate.
I feel however he was aided and abetted by his oppo Mr, Harper, in ruining a once excellent police force and the resultant exodus of numerous experienced and talented officers.
Whoever gets the post of Chief Officer now, has the unenviable task of rebuilding a lot of trust with partner agencies and the island’s population. He or she has to do that with a seemingly demoralised outfit that lacks a lot of experience. The best way to do the job in my view, is to keep it simple and get back to the basics of law enforcement. Do what the majority of the public want. Put sufficient officers on patrol to deal with the incidents of crime and disorder that we read about in the J.E.P., hear on the radio, or see on T.V.
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Well what a surprise -we have had this thing bigged up by insiders like “rico” and Matt -always bragging about “according to my sources” etc.
HDLG was a big investigation and it would have been amazing if there were absolutely no aspects of it that could not be criticised – especially with and months of work and that wonderful thing -HINDSIGHT.
I would repeat one of my previous comments from 31 March, prior to this “leak”:
“”"Keep getting reports until you find one you like. Better still; Feed all the info you can and then organise it so the body of the report must remain confidential and then cherry pick bits of it for publication. Careful Wiltshire careful – this is a mucky business. “”"
Not everything should be taken at face value – Often the devil is in the detail.
The ACPO reports were not written with hindsight, were not cherry picked and I feel are likely to have been less agenda driven. The “rico”s of this world continue to assert that they are not worth the paper they are written on. I think we will decide for ourselves.
There are two sides (at least) to every story.
I have posted the link before:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6241652.ece
There is a lot of disturbing information in this article in the Times, and it concludes:
“Perhaps, you will wonder, as I have, why they are spending so much time picking over Lenny Harper’s work and reputation when men who helped turn children into murderers and suicides, and a man who made a small boy’s head bob up and down in the water, have not been called to account.”
Some of us are still wondering !
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I have not read anything yet that supported gross misconduct which required immediate suspension.
The criticisms are selective and without reading the whole report may be out of context.
Perhaps this report is ‘jumping the gun’!!
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Mogit – Spot on for a change. Hopefully there will be many others who will at last be able to see the light and the veil of this ridiculous conspiracy theory promulgated by a failed politician can be put to rest.
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So a report from Wilts police….that has yet to be defended or not as the case may be…or ACPO….who is the authority most likely to be acurate or believable, would ACPO back their man blindly..? would Wilts police have axes to grind…? And why so very very long and again a Govt.miles off message and woefully secretive.my guess we will never know the true cost…
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Hmmm, the phrase “current form” worries me. Has this report not been finalised even at this very late state? To make changes to the report now would admit that they have made a mistake. And to admit to making a mistake doesn’t bode well for the accuracy of the rest of the report.
And I wonder why the JEP is releasing this select information publicly now?
Just raises more questions to feed the “conspiracy theorists”; which I am led to believe is the new buzz phrase coming out of the States…
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all that time and money on this fishing expedition, 7 officers full time and all they can throw at Power is that they didn’t like his media stratedgy!!! which was fully supported by A.C.P.O.
AS FOR THE FINANCIAL ASPECT, Home Affairs appointed their own Chief Officer to oversea the finances of the HDLH enquiry. Harper was slagged by ogley for worrying about the costs!
The Treasurer failed to hedge the Euros and lost the island 7 million – result – a smack on the wrist.
If this is really all they can accuse Power of the JEP headline should more reasonably have been “IS THAT IT?”
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Simple… Trust no-one.
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Ian Le Marquand has sunk to even lower depths with this ‘interview’ casting aspersion without evidenced fact, in yet another case of you’ll have to believe me because I am wiser and know better than any of you do. Because I’ve seen what’s in this report, and its not very good. But by the way I won’t commit to publishing it in its entirety so that you can read and judge for yourself.
Having made a fool of himself on BBC talkback and again in the JEP this week, this latest action smacks of Le Marquand trying to wheedle his way out of a very tight corner. The weasel words in the interview that are purely innuendo raise more questions than answers for me.
He said during the week ‘call me naive’ ok, I wouldn’t argue with that. Not realising that he was hopelessly conflicted in his relationship with Graham Power, he certainly is naive.
He also said his position would be untenable, yep that would be right too – it is untenable
I do hope he resigns, an honourable man would but to be honest I don’t believe he is an honourable man so the chances are pretty slim.
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Hmm.. I find it very interesting that somehow the JEP have seen the report – and decided to highlight that which serves their purposes – and those of their masters.
I think it’s best, before all the crowing and trolling starts, to wait for the full thing to be published.
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This is awful. So the whole Haut de la Garenne fiasco was down to lousy police work anbd should never of gone like it did? Who actually employed Harper and Power?
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Harry your comment is so spot on.Fact of life is that Senator Kinnard was in charge of Home Affairs and Bill Ogley was Powers senior.The importance of line management in such a serious investigation cannot be overlooked,so lets also discipline Kinnard and Ogley if the report is so bad.!
If Powers should be disciplined over something like this ,then lets also discipline Mike Pollard and the H&SS senior team for the tragedy of Mrs.Rourke and the Veritas report ,aswell as the recent Child Protection disaster.Whats good for one…….
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Just seen ILM on BBC Local News – He looked sweaty -must have been the studio lights -or maybe he needs a day off (another one ?)
More promises of damming information – oh, but not for months – in the meantime, keep the faith.
Have a holiday – then don’t come back.
Thanks.
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This long awaited report merely states fact.Graham Power failed in his capacity as chief constable to oversee the HDLG investigation.The lurid and false claims of mass murder and torture chambers by his deputy circled the world in a media frenzy,when he remained conspiciously silent.
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Apart from the cases that have never gone to court because the offenders are dead or untraceable, many allegations of abuse at HDG have come into the public eye, and some have been proven.
No matter how distateful it is to have to admit that this abuse went on in Jersey, that is no reason to sack a top copper who was just doing his job to his best ability.
If he had been investing terrorists and just caught one, he would have been declared a national hero.
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#29 “…If he had been investing terrorists…”
As in, “Arise Sir Osama”?
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Tony Gallichan you are going to have to wake up and smell the coffee sooner or later. The nonsence you read on an infamous blog elsewhere has always been ad-lib inaccurate hearsay and this results proves it.
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Matt (31) I would advise you to do the same, tbh. If you read my post I state that I want to wait and read the full report – not some snippets that have been leaked as part of a continuing PR campaign. I don’t just read Syvret’s Blog -I also read many, many things. Including minutes of meetings, full reports and in general, as much as I can about the sorry state that Jersey is in.
I know the current ‘buzzphrase’ is ‘Conspiracy theory’, but sometimes theories get proved – and this one certainly looks like it will be. Matt, you and Fake Rico have trolled these comment pages for a long time now, seemingly taking pleasure in the fact that two police officers are being smeered and that so many victims of abuse are not getting justice.
I wonder how well you sleep at night.
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31# Matt. You have obviously read the Wiltshire report , please can you post a copy! As the only people to have read it are Ian Le Marquand and Graham Power with some selected bits dripped to the JEP then you must be one of these three.
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Matt (31) – what results Matt? We have had a few words from a 400 + 100 page enquiry, used selectivly for maximum impact.
Have you read in full the ACPO reports? If you cannot bear to believe the FACTS on blog sites, perhaps you would not dispute them.
Who needs to wake up and smell the coffee??!!
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Hi Tony Gallichan #24,
You correctly predicted the muppets and puppets coming out of the woodwork………….
Well Hello MATT !! #31
“………this results proves it.” (presumably you meant “result”)
The level of proof that appears to satisfy you is quite scary !
Proof by JEP or proof by Ian Le Marquand selective leak.
Mooooooooooooo…………
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“The lurid and false claims of mass murder and torture chambers by his deputy circled the world in a media frenzy,”
Chapter and verse please! When did Lenny ever say this?
I have asked for the ENTIRE Wiltshire report to be made public. And if not the whole report, then an ENTIRE THREAD of one or preferably two disputed aspects of the investigation.
So, for example, can we read for ourselves, from the very first mention to the very last mention, all the details, the notes made at the time of what was said at the press briefings, the audio on BBC the video from TV stations, everything, about, say, the teeth, or the “mass murder” which realist 28# refers to, or the “piece of skull”.
If the Wiltshire report is any good, and at nearly 400 pages and a long long time and a lot of money, it should be, then such threads should be possible to release to States members and the public, in the event that the whole report cannot be.
I trust that both sides are interested in getting as near as we can to the truth – or is wild supposition and seletive quotes in the JEP easier?
Matt 31# writes: ” The nonsence you read on an infamous blog elsewhere has always been ad-lib inaccurate hearsay and this results proves it”
errrr, like the full ACPO reports? Written by people who are acknowledged experts at the extraordinarily difficult task of running complex investigations? And who mentored the three leading people involved?
Matt, have you read the ACPO Reports? If not go take a look please.
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What G Power is accused of doing is nothing to compare to the negligence and incompetence of some civil servants (death of a patient at the hospital) and yet he is the one suspended while they carry on in their very well paid jobs with fat pensions and with comments of “lessons have been learned”!
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Daniel Wimberley # 36 You commented on the A.C.P.O report which you said was…”Written by people who are acknowledged experts at the extraordinarily difficult task of running complex investigations? And who mentored the three leading people involved.”
As I have discussed elsewhere, I would have expected A.C.P.O. to have stepped in before now, to confirm or deny their support for the way the H de la G investigation was managed by Messrs Harper and Power. The problem is if they support the former management team, then they go against the current Acting Chief Officer and ex-Detective Superitendent Mick Gradwell, who was also an ackowledged accredited expert in major investigations.
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Daniel Wimberley #34
If you quote me, add the relevant part of my comment.You quote me as saying “The lurid and false claims of mass murder and torture chambers by his deputy circled the world in a media frenzy,” but you omit the relevant bit,”when he (Power) remained conspiciously silent.” Did he remain silent? Yes he did and that silence was deafening.Why ?
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Daniel Wimberley #34
“The lurid and false claims of mass murder and torture chambers by his deputy circled the world in a media frenzy,”
“Chapter and verse please! When did Lenny ever say this?”
Well, you are obviously on another planet.
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Realist – Harper never made claims about mass murder or torture chambers. The media made those claims. And Power had to take a hands off approach, dealing only in keeping politicians away from the investigation – a tricky enough job in itself, it seems.
Again, read the facts, not the twaddle that comes out of the local media.
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Mick Gradwell an “Expert” in major crime investigation!!
please, the man’s oft trotted claim to fame is the Morecombe Bay tragedy…. an industrial accident – not mass murder…. those poor people were in a very dangerous place…. the tide came in…. they were cut off….. didn’t take Sherlock Holmes to work that one out!!
tons of paperwork, but hardly a complex investigation.
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some witnesses claimed to have been abused in cellars…. the abuse deniers say these were in fact “Voids under the floor” to a child being dragged to a place below the floor-boards the definition is perhaps a tad academic.
Builders reported finding “Shackles”
and Harper never ever mentioned mass murder!
But ACPO does detail the existence of a young girl’s femur which is still held as evidence and has never been explained
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Blue Knight: “The problem is if they support the former management team, then they go against the current Acting Chief Officer and ex-Detective Superitendent Mick Gradwell, who was also an ackowledged accredited expert in major investigations.”
I recall on another thread you were firmly of the view that people in power can be ‘leant on’ politically, and that you specifically mentioned cronyism and nepotism.
If your views are correct, and I don’t doubt that they are, you must have to acknowledge the possibility of this occurring in this case. You cannot discount it.
Logically, who is more likely to yeild to being ‘leant on’ by Jersey politicians; ACPO or Wardup and Gradwell? I suggest it won’t be the former.
Unless we get the full Wiltshire report, and its Terms of Reference, I prefer to believe what has been published in full and written by a body who had no reason (at the time of writing) to yeild to political pressure.
We are not being given the full picture by our government. Do they simply expect us to believe everything they say just because they say so?
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Realist # 39 & 40. Unfortunately Graham Power isn’t the only person to remain silent. In the light of recent publicity, I would have expected A.C.P.O. to have said more about the conduct of the H de la G investigation, be that pro or contra.
The lack of transparency concerning the history of this case, suggests – rightly or wrongly – a conspiracy of silence by the authorities.
Perhaps Deputy Wimberley would like to comment on this, unless he has been warned about posting his views on this discussion board. This would be a shame, because ‘Disprit Dan’ has a right to tell us what he thinks and the basis for his assertions. Its called freedom of expression.
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Realust,comment #40 : lurid claims, another planet etc.
Perhaps you and some others take too much notice of the tabloid press.
Perhaps it is you who is on another planet; Planet-News-Of-The-World.
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Much of what Matt posts on this site, and others it pure ill-informed twaddle merely designed to distract from serious debate.
One could rebutt most of his assertions but for the first rule of politics..
“Never engage in an argument with an idiot”
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Harry, if you dissmiss the Mick Gradwell findings and want to carry on trying to raise a dead topic then thats your call, but I think you will find that most people have had enough of Blog conspriracy theories and have moved on mate.
It should be even more laughable though when the real truth comes out about the Wiltshire Reports!
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Door Matt,comment #48
You have either seen the Wiltshire Reports (full & finalised?) OR you are talking “ill-informed twaddle merely designed to distract from serious debate”.
Promising damming revelations tomorrow, in the meantime trust me -you’re not Ian Le Marquand are you Matt ?
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I suspect that if those of us who have paid for the Wiltshire report, ever get to see it in full, Matt and Ian Le Marquand are going to look very stupid!
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Look people, Mick Gradwell summed it all up at the end of 2008 so get over it!
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Harry # 42. Whether you like it or not Mick Gradwell was a Home Office accredited Senior Investigator and I am sure he would have dealt with many more cases than the Morecombe Bay incident.I believe Lenny Harper’s experience as a working Detective was outdated. Of course I stand to be corrected, but I can’t imagine he was accredited and as up to date with the latest techniques as Mr. Gradwell.
Grumpy Beggar # 44. Because of the lack of transparency nothing should be discounted in this sorry saga.
I know when I served in the police, politicians spoke to my Chief Officer who told me to back off from a particular investigation. I ignored this and although I had some backing from the Crown Officers, I suspect this damaged my career, as I didn’t progress as far as I had been assured I would, by the previous Chief Officer just a few years before. Despite this, I can look at myself in the mirror in the knowledge I had acted in the best interests of the victims.
Grumpy Beggar also said, “We are not being given the full picture by our government. Do they simply expect us to believe everything they say just because they say so?” Unfortunately I do think many of our politicians are so arrogant that they expect us to just accept what they say. They need to move with the times and realise that with the internet, many people are more informed than ever before and are apt challenge what they profess to be true.
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“Blue Knight” questions why A.C.P.O have not spoken out either for or against Power and Harper.
Read the reports – they speak for themselves!
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Tony Gallichan #41.”Harper never made claims about mass murder or torture chambers. The media made those claims.” Err…except his claims are on archived live media broadcasts, which circled the World.
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Alastair, sorry Harry, you are flogging us a dead horse mate, just like your mate eh, you know the Irish coconut seller eh?!
Tony Gallichan is an avid vile blog contributor. Don’t even bother wasting your time Realist, he is permanently hypnotised by the Mad Hatter.
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Hello Harry (#53) It’s me again. I have read extracts from the A.C.P.O. reports some time ago. I haven’t however read any response to the assertions of Mick Gradwell and David Warcup.
I have researched Mr. Gradwell’s antecedents and contrary to what you claim, there a long list of major crimes he has solved. I am sure A.C.P.O. would respect his views.
As I have discussed elsewhere, it is probable someone misrepresented the facts of the H de la G case to A.C.P.O. and they are now embarrassed that they were hoodwinked – remember senior police officers aren’t infallible.
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54 – realist. Ok, link them to me please. Lets see lenny say there was mass murder and torture….
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Tony Gallichan #41.”Harper never made claims about mass murder or torture chambers.
No, he just decided to keep the media spinning on a yarn for 6 weeks about a dead child that Oxford forensics kept on telling him it never was.
How can you defend policing like that for crying out loud?
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Make the whole process completely transparent otherwise people will rightly suspect the Govt were more worried about reputations than children.
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Blue Knight “it is probable someone misrepresented the facts of the H de la G case to A.C.P.O. and they are now embarrassed that they were hoodwinked”
Without evidence of this surely you should be saying that it is ‘possible’ rather than ‘probable’?
It is equally possible that someone misrepresented the facts of the H de la G case to the Wiltshire Constabulary – (without evidence of this of course.)
My other problem with this whole saga is the issue of the mysterious Metropolitan Police interim report, which no-one has seen; which was the basis for Mr Power’s suspension; but which was only receievd AFTER the suspension letter had been drafted.
Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.
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I am all for transparency as soon as Graham Power gives the go ahead for the whole of the Wiltshire Report to be made Public.
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This is weird, why do people actually give a monkeys about whether Graham Power is coming or going and do they truely think he actually deserves a States of Jersey Pension after all this? I was not amazed with his Haut de la Garenne dealings and I don’t know anybody else who was, so where are you people coming from because it cannot be from Jersey? His over seeing of Harper was nothing but a Police PR disaster and the Media exposed it all for what it was in the end, one big joke.
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This story is so politically loaded that I tend to be extremely skeptical about what I read in the paper. The media are the messengers of the ‘powers that be’ and are capable of making the innocent look guilty and the guilty look innocent.
But no matter what is written about this case, the past cannot be changed, abuse happened (and not only at HdlG)…and the people who are most guilty of those heinous crimes against innocent children are those who tried (and are still trying) to sweep the whole horrid affair under the carpet.
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Yer, well everybody involved is corrupt yawn…..
Blimey when this is all over what are the Syvrerites going to do? Set up more and more boring Blogs to drown themselves in more self centred pittiful cods whallop? I notice everytime has an opposite opinion somebody goes running to the Vile Blog to tell their toothless messiah. How sad can you get?
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Blue Knight..
Gradwell sugested that the 60 + teeth, some with roots still attached had been left for the tooth fairy! enough said…
he never did comment on the young female’s femur which was discovered….and is still in the evidence safe.
nor did he comment on the used condoms, or condom wrappers found in the under-floor voids or cellars.
The truth will out – we just have to wait with an open mind.
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Gary (58) a decent question, but one that has been answered. Whilst harper didn’t make the claims that others here have stated he did, he did use the media to encourage abuse victems to come forward. I would point to the ACPO reports for comment on that. It;s interesting, actually, how a couple of reports slate Harper, yet others praise him, for the same thing. Surely facts are facts? A media strategy should be either correct or incorrect. Myself, I feel he did the right thing – he succeeded in gaining the trust of abuse survivors and in doing so, managed to get more witness statements. Remember, before this abuse survivors had been getting very short shift from the SOJP.
The fact is, Harper and Power were, and indeed, still are, an incovenience to the Jersey Authorities. Why? Becausee the did a decent job and didn;t allow themselves to be leant on. And as such, it seems, they got a little too close…
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Actually Gary, my apologies, I misread your comment. Are you talking about the bone fragments? We know that a child’s femer is still unexplained. We also know that the so-called coconut piece wasn;t, that as just a term used by an unqualified tech.
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Can anyone offer an adult explanation why Wiltshire.police are involved,why not staffordshire refrewshier or any other shires…if we wanted clean overviews why not…Scotland Yard,the FBI or interpol…..could the establishment be influential in any Wiltshire report…?
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Tony Gallichan you are really scraping the barrel here. Do you honestly believe the Wiltshire Report is going to say “well done Harper and Power you did a really good job”. Power has been kept suspended for what 16 months and it has been reiewed monthly? Some of you people are going to have to stop bending reports and start facing the truth of it all eventually.
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Gary “stop bending reports”
At the moment there is only one full, unedited, report in the public domain dealing with the way the investigation was handled. The ACPO report.
What the public want to see is the full, unedited Wiltshire report, and its Terms of Reference, and the mysterious Metropolitan Police Interim Reports that Andrew Lewis claims sparked the suspension (but which was received after the suspension letter had been drafted).
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Grumpy Beggar? What!?
Check out:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7724176.stm
It kind of puts ACPO to history. Dear oh dear!
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Good link Matt#71.
Starts reminding us why he was suspended in the first place.
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er, Matt, no it doesn’t. I don’t believe I’m having to make these points seeing as they’ve been made before, but here goes. The restraints were named as such by builders – the media then fell on that and had fun with it.
May I ask, just where do your sympathies lie, Matt or Rico? Trolling nonsense to denigrate the terrible abuse suffered by so many is reprehensible. I have no objection to a decent debate – indeed, I rather approved of the too-ing and fro-ing on a recent thread as I appreciated that some people were using their intelligence – on both sides of the argument.
Gary, Grumpy beggar is correct. The only report – aside from the daming report into childrens’ services recently, in the public domain are the ACPO reports. And they were very positive.
I agree that we need to see the whole Wiltshire report including it’s terms of reference, rather then small snippets.
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The truth is coming out and the appalling police behaviour ignorers are now stuck in a glitch with each other. They all have a seperate blog and they all join each others and they desperately try to get support but nobody is interested in them or their subject anymore. David Warcup will be sworn in to his new well deserved position in the Summer and Power/Harper will be a distant memory. The future has already been written, the Wiltshire Report will be the final nail in the coffin, the game they played was never fixed, they just claimed things that never were and never happened.
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The HDLG investigation was totally mishandled by those two officers.They have much to answer for and yet they appear to be above the law and below culpability.Let’s get the Wiltshire report published now.No doubt it will reveal failings on all sides.Let’s see it, as taxpayers will be paying for this £20 million fiasco for years.
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Tony, if you are now reverting to calling people Trolls then you have lost your argument.
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Here is an interesting link I was told about last night which clears much of this up:-
http://thehautdelagarennefarce.blogspot.com/
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So “Matt”
Do you actually dispute that abuse of children has been undertaken in the various States controlled “homes”?
Or are you just “winding people up for fun”?
“Matt” will understand the quotes in the last sentence.
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Flymo, I understand the link is all about murder doh!
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Indeed it is, however there are two issues covering the Graham Power issue here. The media exaggeration of perceived murders and the previously ignored shouts of help from abused children.
Do you believe that child abuse occurred in states run facilities?
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Excellent link Matt -77. Very cool. More sobering than ever.
Ignore flymo, they always use the “if you don’t support Harper you support child abuse rubbish”.
Why they have put all their faith into this man after the revelations in that blog makes you wonder what planet they are living on.
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Well hello “rico”, nice of you to join in this mature debate.
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