New schemes to get jobless back in work
Friday 30th July 2010, 3:00PM BST.
Workers at Cyril le Marquand House will be among those offered voluntary redundancy
PLANS to help Islanders find work in the recession-hit jobs market have been unveiled – just days before the launch of the biggest States redundancy programme for generations.
On Monday, every public sector worker will be offered voluntary redundancy as part of a major programme of cutbacks to plug the Island’s £50 million budget deficit.
On the eve of the programme, details have been released of two schemes designed to help Islanders find work.
Skills Jersey, which helps with the training and further education of Islanders, this week recommended that all companies tendering for States work should be forced to employ local trainees as part of the bidding process. In a separate initiative, a group of 30 unemployed people are being retrained to work in the finance industry using money from emergency States funding.
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And who said the States were not capable of joined up thinking!
Well just about everyone , and this proves them right.
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if a company was lucky to win a states contract, then this would be the time to say , could you take on a young person.
if one was taken on now, there would be no job for them .
or am i missing something here.
if local companies did not have to compete, with outside contractors, work would be steady to take on young people, no?
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I’ve just been told today I can never work in the finance sector because I have a poor credit history – how are you supposed to repay your debts if you can’t get a job to begin with? Why would someone who is debt free automatically be more honest than someone with debts anyway? I’m joining the dole queue on Monday, how does this help Jersey’s economy? V.
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From this article:
‘a group of 30 unemployed people are being retrained to work in the finance industry using money from emergency States funding.’
Next article:
’30 jobs to go at internet gadgets firm’
Coincidence?
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Jersey is fininshed as everything goes and everyone knows it, move on find jobs where there are jobs. This place deserves all it gets and no one i know likes it here anymore. Its very sad to leave a place you where born and love but to get on with life you have to make the choice and better yourselfs and sataying here is not the option.
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3. tough you got yourself in debt i,ve always lived within my means ,no credit card etc. i was bought up to save for the things i want and so far so good no debt whatsoever and a little nest egg to escape should it arise…..which is soon the way things are here
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There are little firms going under all the time laying people off.
Maybe this fiscal stimulus package would be better spent keeping these companies in business rather than re training people for jobs that are not there.
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V for Vendetta – I sympathise, having worked in finance I can honestly say I’ve never worked with such a bunch of crooks in my life. The banks are out to find and exploit every loophole and the people are the most greedy, dishonest I’ve ever met.
I think you may be too honest for finance.Good luck finding a job.
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1. ALL civil servants are being offered redundancy – Traditionally redundancy is offered to deadwood, non effective or redundant positions or roles – The states are effectively saying they do not know who is good or bad and that everyones job is effectively replaceable and that they know they have too many staff – something the man in the street has been saying for YEARS!
2. How can the states provide training etc to help find jobs when there are no jobs! Are they going to magic a new industry out of thin air or relax the rules (like they did for the building trade) to create jobs at the detriment of the island?
As a manager I would always take on experience over qualifications – exams/knowledge do not make good employees, and can actually be a hindrance, and i also know that the cost of taking on a trainee are very high as the person training becomes ineffective.
Our states members are clutching at straws and are using the so-called stimulus fund for their own ends – i.e. plugging the budget holes to provide services.
The states need to work to cut costs – some ideas:
1. Reduce our legal bill by making it easier to change laws – have the laws written with an appendix and just amend the appendix – no need then for extensive consultation and changes can be implemented immediately.
2. Cut perks, freeze salaries and make some compulsory redundancies – every other company is being squeezed.
3. Apply a consistent tax rate across all companies and individuals regardless of how much they earn or sector – say 10% across the board.
4. share services/departments (and costs) etc with the other channel islands – we are currently duplicating EVERYTHING!
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V for Vendetta…..
I dont know who told you that but its rubbish.
I work in finance, and have a TERRIBLE credit rating…which is slowly getting better.
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No 4
30 is a popular number. Maybe 20/20 will soon becoming 30/30!
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“In a separate initiative, a group of 30 unemployed people are being retrained to work in the finance industry using money from emergency States fund.”
Well you could knock me down with a feather – how did anyone ever miss that it would be that easy?
So let’s forget about experience, you don’t need that at all. You just need a piece of paper after a few hours of classroom study and you’re there.
People will be queuing up to recruit these newly-qualified workers – after all, who needs experience?
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‘a group of 30 unemployed people are being retrained to work in the finance industry using money from emergency States funding.’
There are already many qualified experienced finance sector workers who are currently unemployed!
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@3 – Not true, you’ve been misled there. Some firms will credit check as a blanket policy, others won’t as it really depends on the role.
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@9 – Anti spin, not sure if you work in finance? Interested to know how your experience over qualifications hiring policy would work in the context of the Trust Company Code of Practice, half your administartors and three quarters of your managers have to be professionally qualified…kind of makes a qualification a little bit more valuable don’t you reckon?
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Dave 13.
Well Dave, I think that teaching people to work in the Finance industry at the taxpayers’ expense, is far better than leaving them at home doing nothing…also at the taxpayers’ expense!
Moreover, the only thing people learn at home is “How to become unemployable” and thus, completely States dependent!
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I have a scheme which would get the jobless back to work.
STOP BEING SUCH A SOFT TOUCH WITH INCOME SUPPORT!!
and then the slackers would have no alternative but to find a job
Just to clarify, I am well aware that a lot of jobless are not slackers and are indeed trying to find work – good luck to them.
By “Slackers” I am referring to the chav rubbish that simply see income support as an alternative to working, the ones that have given the locals a bad name, the ones that have made it a requirement to import foreign labour due to the fact that so many locals seem to think it’s beneath them to get their hands dirty.
Cut their welfare, and see how fast they find jobs.
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(3) V for Vendetta – just to clarify, it’s my understanding that most finance houses will not employ anyone who have either CCJ’s or a criminal record. Simply having a ‘poor’ credit rating should not adversely affect your chances, but having a default on a loan, for example, is another matter entirely.
Fair enough really, if you cannot look after your own money then it stands to reason that you cannot be trusted to look after other peoples.
I’d suggest submitting your C.V. towards the catering or building industries instead, as they will rarely bother with such checks. Good luck
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No 16.
I don’t think the costs are the same.
I expect the unemployed are getting the same benefits plus there are training costs and admin costs.
Some of my friends used to work in the finance and despite their experience and qualifications they are unable to obtain employment. Perhaps the states should spend a lot of money retraining them to work in sectors where there are few job opportunities such as tourisim or agriculture?
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How are we supposed to trust a Government that cannot tell the difference between Friday and Monday? The emails went out on Friday and not all employees knew this was coming!
#3 ‘Credit rating’ is a misnomer so do try all the institutions you can. There is no rating as such, each institution sets their own requirements. Check out moneysavingexpert.com for advice on the BS that financial institutions use to scare the public.
#6 Such a simplistic view. I haven’t ever been in debt but I know people who have purely due to a history of illness. For all you know V for Vendetta got into debt simply keeping a roof over their head (without any luxuries). Governments do not always help those that genuinely need it you know, sometimes they tell you “you can’t have a house because you have family with a spare room” (it’s a ridiculous points system that they use) even though those family members are alcoholic and physically abusive, and so you continue paying a mortgage and applying for every job going! I know this because it happened to my friend when she was told she didn’t need a council house, she could live with her mum! The Council checked with her mum and her mum agreed to take her in, but then her mum was going to get the benefit of having a resident punching bag!
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Credit checks are nothing new, this has been standard procedure in the companies I have had experience of for years.
I have also had experience of employees with financial problems defrauding the company they worked for, I can think of at least 2 who went to prison, so these checks are fully justified.
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Dave 19.
Of course training has a cost and, you are probably right, these people will receive benefits during the training period. However, they will be ‘busy’ learning a new skill and that is what counts.
Unfortunately, people who go through long periods of unemployment often manage to get by on the benefits they receive and thus have no interest in finding a job. That is why the unemployed must not lose contact with the working world (and training keeps them focused).
Furthermore, I doubt if these newly trained people will be of any sort of competition for your unemployed finance-sector friends. No employer in his right mind would put a ‘rookie’ in a position that requires experience.
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An easy way to get the jobless back into work is to stop paying out benefits simples
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As said before, A local company win a states contract! that would be a first.
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@ no. 3
I think someone has told you a lie there. Not all places ask for credit checks. Ive never had a credit check for a job and ive worked in finance my whole life.
Although if any companies are doing them i imagine its because the position your applying for would be one where you would have access to cash or the means to move money electronically. Being high in debt means you are going to be considered more of a risk as you may be tempted to dip your hand in the cookie jar so to speak.
Please note: i am not implying you or anyone else in debt or finacial difficulties is a theif.
You just have to remember these big corporates have blankett policies. at the end of they day your life adds up to a score on a risk rating calculation. we are all just a number in this game
sad but true!
Good luck though mate.
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Two vans maybe more come into the island a week with polish workers, Our youth can not compeat with them as they are older more experenced and work for less, stop the import and jobs will be there for our children,
The states are well out of touch island has lost its identity unlike guernsey.
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Let me just see if I’ve got this right,no doubt one of the resident geniuses on here will inform or correct me ..You can go for V.R. it will take the States about a year and a half before that begins to show a saving…in this climate anyone with a mortgage opting for that without a job to go to would indeed be reckless..so having got V.R. and a checque.you can sign on to the Back to work scheme….? really….?
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V for Vendetta
I feel you may have been misinformed. I’ve been in finance all my life. I got into credit trouble when I was younger (going out too much on credit cards). I eventually paid it all back and passed my next employers credit checks with no problem.
If you have a really bad debt problem now it may hinder you, but once you’ve cleared it you should be able to get a job in finance (if you are good enough;-))…..it’s not a case of you can “never” work there.
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17 Tobias
Please define “local”…..I think you’ll find there are many 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation Immigrant “locals” who are milking the taxpayer for income support.
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“New schemed to get jobless back in work”:-
Kick out illegal workers
Kick out criminals and those who are a burden to society
Get them to “work” for the community (plenty of jobs like cleaning beaches, helping charities, policing the streets, running sports groups for the kids).
If there was one brain cell within the states they could actually turn this into a positive. Unemployed will be given benefits no doubt, so as an added incentive give them a bit more if they can contribute positively to the community or environment. The schools are off for the summer and there are plenty of kids moaning there is nothing to do so get some unemployed to lay on activities etc.
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BS Deluxe [30] Good idea but like so many good ideas these have been tried before but are sabotaged by the unions who see such as cheap labour and a threat to their empires. Nick Corbell will want to control the process and the jobs to go to his members.
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BS DeLuxe 29.
I totally agree with Tobias 17 and I think it’s quite obvious that by “local” he means indigenous islanders, in other words “beans”.
There are 3 saying everyone uses in Jersey:
1. “The Jersey way”…this does not refer to the transparent way that Jersey’s officialdom deal with important matters, but to the ‘darkly-vague-clear-as-mud’ way the people of Jersey have been forced to accept.
2. “There’s a boat out in the morning”…this does not refer to free-sightseeing trips to the surrounding islands – courtesy of Jersey, but to the time when misbehavers were herded together and shipped back to whence they came…on the first boat out.
3. “Lazy beans”…this does not refer to the majority of “beans” (indigenous islanders) who, may I add, are far from lazy, but to the mob of free-rider beans (the ones that have given the locals/beans a bad name) who jumped on the benefits wagon – way back in time – and have been on it ever since…together with their offsprings.
I’m not saying that first, second or third generation immigrants are not misusing the system, but you must be honest, the “lazy beans” play the benefits game better/longer than the rest.
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Born Warrior
I fail to see the relevance in you posting your alleged 3 most said phrases in Jersey, but anyway……
I know Tobias was talking about “Beans” thank you. This is why I was pointing out that it is NOT just beans who are milking the system! Please tell me why it is that every non-local takes great delight in insulting the locals at every given opportunity?
A reality check is required and perhaps they should all take a good look at their own societies before commenting on their generous and welcoming hosts’!
Many of the States housing estates have non-local families living in them (UK, Portugese, French and now probably Polish too)…..with large broods. Yes, there are local kids who think it easier to sponge off the taxpayer than get a job (as there are in many western societies – this is not a Jersey exclusive problem!), but the authorities have made this so….and their non-existent immigration policy is only exacerbating the problem for future generations.
I object to the many mindless people who pass generalised comments on here insulting the whole local population for the faults of a few…..their ignorance to the fact that our “open door” policy has contributed to (or may have even caused) this problem completely astounds me.
The only beans we should all be mad at are the idiots who run this mad house. They have lost control of the system and don’t know how to fix it.
All I say is stop putting all locals in the same category……most of us work damn hard and hate the way our island has changed.
It is NOT a nice place to live in anymore.
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BS DeLuxe 33.
Re: “All I say is stop putting all locals in the same category…most of us work damn hard and hate the way our island has changed.”
Firstly, all dictums are rooted in truth, that is why I posted the 3 most widely used in Jersey…simply to underline the fact that each of these saying is based on a truism.
Secondly, I did not direct the “Lazy beans” aphorism at the entire indigenous population and, I believe that is quite clear in point 3). However, I don’t like scroungers, whether native or otherwise (obviously, those who are truly in need cannot be considered scroungers) and, although neither you nor I have any figures to support our comments, neither of us can deny what it clearly discernable on Jersey’s social-housing estates.
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Some of the unemployed should be sent out to pick up the rubbish thrown all over the island by our huge population.
The increase in rubbish, the increase in building and the increase in traffic has make Jersey a much less pleasant place to live.
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‘Some of the unemployed should be sent out to pick up the rubbish thrown all over the island by our huge population.’
Better still, some of the unemployed could be paid to sit around in deck chairs noting the description and car numbers of the litter throwers. Others could process the paperwork/keyboard data for the prosecution of the incosiderate morons.
Clearing up after litter louts, whether done by the employed or the unemployed, will never cure the problem. Large Canadian style fines will. The income could pay for the deck chairs!
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