Rise in unemployment
Saturday 21st August 2010, 2:59PM BST.
Union leader Nick Corbel.
JERSEY’S biggest union has urged ministers to suspend its voluntary redundancy scheme following a sudden rise in unemployment.
It was yesterday revealed that the number of people registered unemployed had increased for the second consecutive month, with 1,250 Islanders now out of work.
Nick Corbel, spokesman for the Unite union, said that the figures showed that it was the wrong time to launch series of cuts in the public sector.
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I have no doubt that unemployment in Jersey will keep rising for some time as the worst of the downturn has yet to hit the island. Recessions give employers an opportunity to get rid of dead wood and reshuffle their staff which results in the business being more efficient and stronger
I can’t see anything wrong with any business offering voluntary redundancies as many staff will jump at the chance. Many of these will be close to retiring and their redundancy would give way to younger staff members.
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Interesting that the number of unemployed has risen – so has the number of vacancies within the financial institution where I work (I believe 80 at last count!)
And, yes we take expats and secondments from the UK and globally because we desperately need to fill the roles with people with the right skills and attitude.
Perhaps all these people shouting about local jobs for local people would care to consider why these unemployed folk aren’t getting these local jobs?
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So what’s supposed to happen then? Are the tax payers supposed to go on paying for a whole load of unnecessary states workers for a further couple of years whilst waiting for the jobs market to pick up?
If there are staff employed in the public sector that are surplus to requirements then they have to go, and now!
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#1 #3
What a pair of smug self centered muppets you are.
Perhaps you may be lucky enough to be in secure employment ?…. but remember maybe when you were going for a job to support yourself and possibly a family, plus a mortgage.
Well imagine then what it might be like to loose all that because your job has gone.
Just keep thinking about yourselves , as it appears that is what you two do best
Oh…and no Wan, they are not all ‘dead wood’.
Perhaps you’ll think again when it’s you being made unemployed.
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No 2 – can you tell me where you work…I am an ex pat, jobless and used to be in Finance. The 5 years res rule is killing me !
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No 2 – Gee, I would love one of those 80 positions..where is it you work ?
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You know …move to another place where there is a chance of work instead of claiming benefits and sitting on facebook all day…move on !!!!
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Why are we still importing people from overseas to do jobs in Jersey that are unskilled. I am sure that they could be carried out by any of these 1250. The parish relief system should never have been centralized. The reason given was that more populated parishes of St Helier,St Clement, St Saviour and St Brelade had unfair burdens is rubbish. These are the parishes that have the businesses of hotels, banks, shopping precincts ect. that pay the lion’s share of rates. Applicants no longer have to be interviewed by welfare panels, now they just pootle down to Soc. Sec. fill a form in and hand it to a civil servant who then authorizes a £90 weekly credit to there bank account. There are several jobs available and those unemployed and physically able should take the jobs offered not say that they cannot do that. They should not be able to ponce off the tax payer. When I was a 16 year old labourer for a local building firm on a few shillings a week I spent my 2 weeks annual holiday working for the late Eric Le Saint on the demolition site on which now stands Sand Street car park to get some extra money for a house deposit. I was also not the only young lad that did this. I suppose Mr Corbel will quote the the union bible, one man one job. Another word for sweetbreads comes to mind
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Stalin – for your information I was made redundant 3 times and each time stayed positive and picked myself up to find another job after a short while. I have seen many being made redundant in my time and whilst it comes a shock most were happy when I met them again many months afterwards. It gave them an incentive to do something else and learn new skills or do something what they always wanted to do. Some said they should have left much earlier. It’s called positive thinking and often getting a kick up the backside is a good thing
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#8 ‘…now they just pootle down to Soc. Sec. fill a form in and hand it to a civil servant who then authorizes a £90 weekly credit to there bank account.’
Yeah, I imagine one can live like royalty on £90 per week. As long as one mainly eats sweetbreads (the full range, not whichever ones you’re thinking of)!
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C Le Verdic 10.
Exactly! £90-per-week luxury! I feel sorry for anyone who is forced (through adversity) to live on such a sum.
However, now we know why so many workshy benefit spongers are overweight…all those greasy chip butties!
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It’s certainly not just a case of “pootling down to social”!!
When i became a student a few years ago and applied for Income Support i was treated like a piece of dirt by their staff, and have spoken to others who have received the same treatment!
They sent me on a huge wild goose chase to get school references etc that in the end i didn’t actually need! No apology from Social for making me waste huge amounts of time when i was supposed to be studying!
In the end my application was turned down and had to ask my Parish Constable to phone them and sort it out, which knowing my family position he did straight away.
I was also promised that the payments would be back dated to the date i applied, a promise which ended up being broken by them even though it was their incompetence which let to the process taking so long in the first place!
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1250 unemployed? That was LAST month’s figure – it’s over 1400 now (ask them if you don’t believe me!)
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Stalin – You don’t know me and have no idea of my situation so please try not to jump to conclusions!!
For your information I am most definitely not in a secure job. I work in finance and since Christmas 2009 approx 50% of staff in the area I work in have been made redundant. My job could go at any time too and I just have to accept that.
The thing is – I work in the private sector where if belts need tightening and jobs have to go, then that is what happens. We don’t get the choice of voluntary redundancy like the cushy public sector.
The reason for this is that when banks cut costs they generally outsource jobs to cheaper countries so it is effectively the jobs that
go, and if it happens to be your job – then you go.
The States jobs on the other hand are just overstaffed, so when they want to cut costs they can afford the luxury of giving their staff the choice because their aim to purely to reduce numbers, not jobs.
I stick by my original comment whether you like it or not.
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tom(12) you are correct, the run around game .
if you are still unemployed, you need to find people in the same situation, and form a claimants association.
and still people arrive and take up employment,
whilst our young people with a lifetime in front of them have no jobs..
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Shut the doors do not allow any more people into the island untill the jobless total is zero,,, Oh i forgot non of our politicians have got the balls to do that!!!
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For the first time ever, after 30 years working, I went down to social security to register as unemployed. I was told that as I am not entitled to income support (as I have been prudent and have savings) I have to continue making social security contributions. So I am now unemployed for the first time in my life, I receive no benefits, and I have to pay social security contributions, both employers and employees, which amount to about £100 per week.
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Folks,
If there is the offer of VR it is down to the individual situation of those offered it to see if it suits them and if so take advantage of it,or not.
For those reading this who don’t work in finance or law,my friends who do tell me it is not all sweetness and light with mega bonuses – some haven’t even had cost of living for quite a few of years.
Before there is a comment that they must have been overpaid originally,most are just lucky that the mortgage rate of 15% that they paid in the 80′s as young couples is not around now.
Mind you some have said,shame it isn’t then the current generation would really know what it’s like to struggle.
And yes often followed up by the comment,if people don’t like there is always a boat in the morning – of course it might be running a bit late as we know.
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Dave 17.
Not only do I feel sorry for your plight Dave, I also feel angry on your behalf!
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dave (17), ask about u credits, these were for when you were unemployed, but you had to register each week, do not be fobbed off by being told you do not need to , all unemployed must register, then we can see the true figure.
also ask about the ceiling for savings , you may not work for a while (hope not) so need to see when you will qualify, good luck.
if they say u credits no longer exist, please find out what year they were dissolved, and publish here, to dissolve this it would of had to go thru the states.
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16.Mick – some States Members really do want to control immigration and introduce work permits etc but the Establishment & COM are determined to follow ExSenator Walker’s policy of growing the population to increase the tax revenue. Whilst the Establishment are in the majority there will never be any hope of controlling the population or introducing any kind of immigration policy – likewise trying to keep the jobs for the people who are already here – they just don’t want to know! This doesn’t mean there are no States members that don’t feel exactly the same way that you do – there just aren’t enough of them to carry the proposition through the States.
Please bear this in mind next year at election time and get those who never vote to come to the polls!
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Nellie Macon 21.
Re: “…get those who never vote to come to the polls!”
I don’t agree with your views, but I definitely agree with your comment!
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Is this the same Nick Corbel and Unite union who a few months ago were threatening to strike for more money claiming that the recession was an establishment conspiracy to bully them? Well Mr Corbel welcome to the real world. The Jersey public can no longer afford to keep forking out charity in the form of ever rising taxes to keep you and your members in cushy highly paid and secure jobs whilst the rest of us face pay cuts or unemployment.
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Thanks small money.
I am unemployed because I was working on a fixed term contract which was not renewed, so I was not ‘made redundant’ according to social security rules and have therefore to pay approx £1,300 per quarter until I find another job. I was warned that if I did not make the contributions I could lose entitlement to health benefits and would have a reduced state pension.
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Well what a relief it must be to Mark’s and Spark’s having men in suits nicking from their stores.far preferable to those in Hoodies and trainers…mind the latter will be getting narked at the pilfering on their patch…I mean it could put decent shoplifters out of work….so suits buzz off and find yer own scam…Oh yes ,sorry forgot you’ve milked that dry.
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Dave, this is very unfair as you have paid in all your working life for exactly such an unfortunate event which is not your fault
Rule Rules and more rules…
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#25 Truthseeker, at least they have a chance of stopping their ‘burglars’. The many businesses that have suffered recently from a spate of teen burglaries probably don’t stand a chance of getting any money back from the culprits, even if a couple of the police care, the courts will give them a slap on the wrist! Hardly discouragement to the culprits, they might as well give it another go.
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Nellie #21
If all wanna be states members went in with an Island wide mandate and not just a parochial one then more people might vote and we wouldn’t be stuck with silent deputies like your son ,,,,,
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This is all very sad; many of those who have made a submission in the chain of comments above blame someone else – yet the majority of us are all to blame for the finacial crisis.
Hands up who hasn’t spent beyond their means and lived a Rolls Royce lifestyle on a bicycle budget? Many of us have.
How many people in the finance industry hasn’t convinced an individual or business to borrow money without checking to see if the sum can be repaid?
Instead of pointing fingers at someone else, perhaps we should look at ways of helping one another out.
I worked in a States Department and know only too well how well paid I was and the excellent conditions I had. That said there were many others who worked in finance or law, who also did rather well with high salaries and superb conditions. Competition for States jobs and the finance industry has been high….if you don’t think so just try for some of these posts.
I am sure that it isn’t true in every case, however it is usually those who did well at school who get the better jobs – ie. those who work hard and push themselves to get on who achieve the most. Not everyone can aspire to the better jobs and people are needed to do the menial jobs. Wealth isn’t everything – as I’ve said before there is no contentment in wealth, but there is wealth in contnetment.
Instead of whinging, let’s try and come up with ideas to get the island back on it’s feet and more people in employment…..think positive and stop blaming someone else for your woes.
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Dave, you should have been told that you’re covered for at least 26 weeks (6 months) from being made redundant, before they decide, at their discretion, whether they waive the SS ‘fees’ from then on. If you’re honestly looking for work, you should be OK.
It does seem mad though, that the £455 per month charge that they try it on with, is way more than the employee ever has to pay (due to the SS ceiling limit)!
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Check the stats available on the States website. The number of people in employment each year is growing at a mucu much faster rate then the numbers that the unemployed is rising by. Population growth is the issue!
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#30 Fran I’ve wondered about that also when a friend got hit with it. Had a friend made the minimum earning for those 3 months he wouldn’t have been paying anything like the SS they wanted to claim from him.
Blue Knight, there seems to be a lot of people who don’t care what is happening to the island as long as they are ‘alright Jack’, which is clearly shortsighted. They may well be okay now but all the problems that we are currently failing to deal with will affect them in the future. The UK has an even bigger problem, and all because the political system is set-up to only need to care about the here and now, or (at the most) 20 years down the line. Would be good if we had a political system and an electorate that chose what was best for the island as a whole, not just themselves, and for the future of the island, rather than just the here and now. Unfortunately it’s not ever going to happen, selfishness is too rife.
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Diane guess you wouldn’t want to live in France avge 48% tax or Germany 50% or Denmark 44% plus Inheritance, gift, capital gains oh! and VAT at 18% can you imagaine that!!! I wonder how Denamrk was voted the happiest place to live..
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Mick 28 – you’re obviously not living in the same district as I am otherwise you would know just how active and involved in the community some of our deputies are (see last Saturday’s JEP) and proposition lodged at the last States sitting for example.
As the deputies do not have an Island-wide mandate they are committed to representing their districts which is a good thing as it means the minority do have a voice in the States.
As the JEP reporters leave before the States sittings end if members wait to hear what everyone else has to say before commenting themselves (which is the polite thing to do)they rarely get reported in the press – it does not mean that they never say or do anything – far from it!
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Nellie#34
I’m not in your district and i,m pleased about it cos i want a states representitive that can stand up and speak for himself not quote his mums policys
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Perhaps some cost cutting could be found in reducing some of the final salary, index linked pensions the states support.
Times are changing why should those working today fund the folly of those over generous states decisions of the past?
I am not talking about putting people on the bread line just spreading the pain about so all have a bit less to endure.
Before anyone starts shouting I expect to retire in a couple of years on one of these pensions (privately funded not States), so long as the effort to recovery is evenly spread, I would not like it, but would understand the necessity.
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Mick…I have to say in Jeremy Macon’s defence that just because he is not a loud mouthed Braggard like some headline seekers does not mean that he isn’t beavering away in the background working for those who voted for him and taking their calls and enquiries seriously…there are many States members who once in do Not even answer phone calls or e mails…so fairs fair.
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I understand there are over 900 people on Grafters’ books and as they are signed with an agency are not classed as unemployed.
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I think it’s good that parishes are represented by their own deputies, provided that there are good quality candidates standing for those seats.
In my district the very young deputy has a webside that says “Policies – to be updates” “Ideas – to be updated”. I understand that he probably has better things to do than update a website, but maybe he’d look a bit less ridiculous if he just took it down? Or perhaps a single page site with contact details instead.
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no 38.
If you are self-employed then you cannot be unemployed.
One of my friends is a self employed tradesman, he normally does sub contract work for other builders at a daily rate, but has had hardly any work this year. He cannot register as unemployed, and has to contine paying social security based on his earnings on his 2009 tax assessment even though he has no earnings now.
I also know of several people who have retired early (not through their own choice) They would also like to work as their pensions are fairly small but cannot find jobs. They say that they are not allowed to register as unemployed, and they have to pay employers and employees social security at the maximum rate. One person gets a pension of 14k a year and 5K of that goes on social security contributions.
The social security rules may have been fair enough when jobs were plentiful, but they are totally unfair now, and they mask the real level of unemployment.
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I believe that the figure mentioned “1250″ given as the amount of unemployed in Jersey may be a great deal more than that as I know of several self- employed builders who do not register at La Motte St., there is no point, they will definately not be offered any work, and no benefit, in some cases, a wife or partner will be employed and able to sustain survival until, and if, the tide turns.
I have also heard of some who may feel a visit to the S.S. is beneath them.
We will never know the true unemployed figures.
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Mick Look at Truthseeker trying to stand up for Macon. The only reason he is quiet is because he has no idea what he is doing – in over his head big time.
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39 Julia – good point – the “techi” went to uni unfortunately (?) but this does need to be addressed.
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Real truthseeker #42
He doesn’t need to know what to do cos Mummy tells him,, Its her policys not his,
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There is a certain advantage to having no policies at all as a States member.
Off the cuff I can think of three that have a distinct political position and another half dozen who have some fairly consistent political ideas.
The remainder range up to the extremely woolly and will often agree with anything you care to tell them, seem to have all the voting consistency of ALan McLean’s ring binder.
Having a complete lack of politics is good as no one is likely to stand or vote against you in the parish but it does result in complete paralysis of the States on many occasions.
Wait for the Business Plan debate when there will have to be real tax rises and cuts in expenditure, then you will see that it is not only Jeremy Macon that seems to be out of his depth.
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Dave
I totally feel for you mate….the exact same thing happened to my fiancee last year. She was made redundant from finance and still had to pay SS. So to get her contributions down she managed to get a breadline job packing at Play.Com. There were so many Polish there she couldn’t communicate with any of them….they eventually said they had no more work for her….even though more and more Poles were being recruited.
then you have people who haven’t lifted a finger or having babies left, right and centre who pick up their benefits and end up living much better lifestyles than the hard workers who pay for it!!
This government needs to be brought to justice….perhaps there is some law where we the taxpayers can sue them for inaction, unfairness or incompetence. there is pretty much a law for everything these days….if not, we should force the issue!
after all who is there to protect us, the people, from the government???
Quick money savers:-
Benefits cheats jailed
Foreign criminals deported
Unemployed foreign workers deported
(eligible) Benefits claimants doing some community/charity work to earn it
TLS to be retired – save wages and loss of public money due to ridiculous decisions.
Contracts to local businesses
Clamp down on illegal workers and discrimination in recruitment processes
Fine wrongdoers and tougher on punishments
Not only will this save money, it will help to cut crime and laziness….also reducing our bursting population level.
More people may mean more taxes, but it can also mean more liabilities….crime, services, unemployment!
Weigh it all up.
Easy…….there you go Ozouf et al!
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#46: ‘Quick money savers:-
Benefits cheats jailed’
Is jailing cheaper than paying benefit, then?
Or would this be a form of ‘loss leader ‘pour discourager les autres’?
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BS DeLuxe 46.
Out of the 8 ‘Quick Savers’ you listed, I (and many others I’m sure) agree with 7…I’ve said it before, get into politics, you’d do well!
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#46 Born Warrior is totally right, you need to go into politics!
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C Le Verdic 47.
Funny you should say that, because that’s the point I didn’t agree with…mainly because the States would have to build at least two new prisons to ‘house’ all the benefit cheats!
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BS Deluxe # 46. You appear to be suffering from xenophobia mate. We shouldn’t blame our economic woes on foreign nationals – it’s all of our fault, with many of us living beyond our means.
I find in most cases that foreigners work ehics are far better than that of many Brits. I have also found that many of them speak English, whereas few of us attempt to communicate in thier language. The usual British tactic of shouting at other foreign nationals in English to make them understand no longer works, instead you should try, “Dzien dobry”
Notwithstanding the above views and your apparently being xenophobic, I was sorry to hear your fiancee found difficulty getting work – I hope things work out for her.
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Unemployment if you look on another article Ben Shenton (the name used) tells us that an immigrant earning 15,000 per annum gets 16,000 IN INCOME SUPPORT – no wonder locals cannot get jobs!
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Nice one Mick – you are spot on again!
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BS DeLuxe: “people who haven’t lifted a finger or having babies left, right and centre who pick up their benefits and end up living much better lifestyles than the hard workers who pay for it!!
This is a real problem. In my job I have come across people that do not work out of choice, because they live a more comfortable lifestyle (in terms of income and time) living on benefits. Also people that have got themselves pregnant for the sole reason that they do not want to have to work. I’m not saying this happens on a large scale (I have no idea), but its shocking nevertheless.
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Blue Knight 51.
I can see nothing xenophobic about wanting Foreign criminals deported (obviously criminals who have commited serious crimes and have no family ties in Jersey)…or wanting Unemployed foreigners deported (obviously workers who have not paid into the system and who have no form of financial support)…or wanting contracts to local businesses (obviously local businesses that offer quality work and match the best price offered by non-local competitors).
Xenophobia, is a fear of all foreigners/strangers, I can see no reference in post 46. to honest hard-working foreigners who, as we all know, are much needed on the island.
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Mick – 21 + 35 + 44
Julia 39
Real Truthseeker 42 + 53
What a bunch of nasty, inflexible and superior feeling group of people you are. Stop the Jeremy bashing for goodness sake.
He may be quiet in comparison to some of the more vocal States Members but that doesn’t mean he is “in over his big head” as Real Truthseeker so meanly put it. He actually works very hard for his constituents behind the scenes which is more than a lot of the others do.
Julia – your comments about his website were unnecessary too. It is blatently obvious that this site was constructed in 2008 for the run up to the elections and was never intended to be updated after that. Perhaps it would be better if it was removed now, but how many other obsolete websites litter the internet? Give him a break. The two pages that you mention may well have no content but did you take the time to read through the rest? I think it was informative the points that were made more than adequately covered the missing topics – and at least it was all correctly spelt, not like your post!!
As for Mick & Real Truthseeker – There was that one issue just after he was elected where he was ridiculed for his mother’s involvement in States issues but that was then …. let it go now, it’s in the past – try to be a bit forgiving and give him a ruddy chance.
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#51
why should i speak to foreigners in their native language when the native language of MY island is english? I spent 10 years in germany and was told in no uncertain terms to learn the language or leave !!!
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blue knight, i can say that i live within my means i have no h.p all i owe is rent, and the usual utilities, which are paid as they arrive.
have a bit of cash in the bank, but as we all know , somthing will go wrong next week , next month, the wifes glasses have just fallen to bits .
in one hand out with the other, but i am happy , my wealth is not measured in pounds and pence.
to laugh till it hurts , is worth a fortune.
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There are so many incorrect facts above that I would suggest getting yourself down to SS to find out for yourselves.
I went in to register unemployed in Feb and got the facts.
Dave is incorrect, Fran is incorrect and BS Deluxe is incorrect.
Don’t believe everything you read on here, check for yourself.
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Diane, get a grip. It is widely known Macon follows his mothers intentions/views. He will have to be voted out for his incompetence and complete lack of assistance shown. I have tried to reach him on an issue, and he said he woudl call me back, and still hasn’t. I repeat, he is over his head, and naive by anyone to think otherwise.
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#56 Diane
No i won,t he had his chance,,,, and Nellie you’ve gone quiet the truth hurts eh!!!!
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Mike, I registered recently and I have posted exactly what I was advised.
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“It is widely known Macon follows his mothers intentions/views. He will have to be voted out for his incompetence and complete lack of assistance shown. I have tried to reach him on an issue, and he said he would call me back, and still hasn’t.”
Phillip Ozouf was first elected as a Deputy on the strength of his father’s service as a Constable and Ben Shenton owes some of his political success to his father’s long political career.
I am not going to mention the name but I know of one long term Senator who deleted all messages from the answer phone without listening to them and threw letters from islanders in the bin without reading them.
But their politics would have been far more to your taste so you would not complain!
phone and threw letters from
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Mick # 51. In the 1970s I lived in Germany whilst serving in the armed forces and am fluent in German; I also served in Oman and speak a fair bit of Arabic…..we live in a global village so there is every advantage in learning other languages. Most, if not all the foreigners in Jersey speak English and many are of benefit to the island’s economy. I’ll bet many of the spongers are locals or Brits.
Born Warrior # 55. So why don’t we deport Irish, Scots, Welsh and English criminals? Why apparently just pick on the Polish and Portuguese?
I am glad however that you agree we need many of these foreigners for their skills and abilities.
Small money # 58. You deserve the best buddy…health, contentment and the love of my family means more to me than possessions and spondulics.
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Sorry Diane, I’m with the others here. Life experience shows and so does lack of it. Being well-meaning is not enough for a States member and Macon is hardly a beacon of hope in these difficult times. As for you calling people who express opinions contrary to yours as ” nasty, inflexible and superior”… Doesn’t that make you nasty, inflexible and superior…?
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56. Diane
I am not Jeremy-bashing, I haven’t needed his services since he got elected. The point I was trying to make is that if he tidied up loose ends like that then he wouldn’t look silly to those of us who haven’t met him but are trying to find out what his views are and what he’s working on. Yes, I have read the rest of it where there is content and most of it is good. If he’d just remove the blank holes it would look much better. If he then updated it with what he’s doing that would be great. If Jeremy really wants to engauge the Youth, as he says, then the website is surely a good place to start?
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Pip, there is a big difference between simply being the son / daughter of an individual, and a different one when the views aqre that of their parent in the States.
Ozouf and Shenton both form their own opinion, and regularly deal with issues when presented to them. In my case Shenton met me to discuss the issue, and communicated with the relevant department – only because Macon as my Deputy didn’t bother.
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64 Blue Knight. ‘we live in a global village so there is every advantage in learning other languages.’
It would be a greater advantage if everyone in the village spoke the same language – English, no contest, it is already the international language for most things which matter.
It would also help if we all drove on the same side of the road. Unfortunately the other side would probably win that one, unless they can be persuaded that money could be made from the changeover.
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#64 Blue knight.
I agree we should deport any non local criminal irrespective of where they are from,,, and i an also fluent in german thanks to my C.O.and a very good language school,
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R B Bougourd # 68 – English is the Heinz 57 of all languages, made up of French, Saxon, Latin etc. Learning new languages is good for your education and developing your mind. Lets face it there are plenty of Brits who can’t speak the Queen’s English, let alone the foreigners in the island.
Mick # 69 – Ausgezichnecht! My learning German was resultant of three months in einen volkshochschule and having lots of German freinds.
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Please correct isisland to island…..I told you there were plenty of Brits who couldn’t speak the Queen’s English…..it was that last Calvados that did it!
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Blue Knight 64.
Re: “So why don’t we deport Irish, Scots, Welsh and English criminals? Why apparently just pick on the Polish and Portuguese?”
I really don’t know what you’re talking about. I didn’t mention any particular group, you did.
I used the word “foreigners” which means someone from outside a particular group or community (in other words an outsider). The only word I regret using is “deport” (shiver), I should have said repatriate foreign criminals with no family ties in Jersey…including criminals from England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, etc.
By the way, I thought I’d better list the nations in alphabetical order (you put the Irish first), otherwise, you’ll be accusing me of political incorrectness next.
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Born Warrior # 72. When mentioning excluding foreigners, why not prevent criminals who commit crimes in St. Helier from visiting the town. Stop folk living in St. Peter from working in St. Martin beacuse it prevents a St. Martin’s resident from getting the job.
We are all residents of one earth and there are good and bad in all nations – and parishes, villages etc. I am the last person to be politically correct and was often told off for telling it as it is; nevertheless I always believe in tolerance.
Let’s face it, many of us are equally responsible for the mess the island is in. We just don’t want to admit it and it’s easier to focus on someone else and point fingers at our politicians, bureaucrats and non Jersey folk – yes they had their part to play, but so did you and I. Too many of us live Rolls Royce life styles on bicycle budgets – including the States in their management of the island.
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Blue Knight 73.
Re: “We are all residents of one earth and there are good and bad in all nations – and parishes, villages, etc.”
Very true, but although we must look toward and protect the Global village, we (mainly you) must stop for one moment and take a long look at our immediate surroundings…and at what is happening in our own backyard (as the French, German, Italian and Spanish governments are doing).
Re your comment: “Why not prevent criminals who commit crimes in St. Helier from visiting the town and/or stop folk living in St. Peter from working in St. Martin because it prevents a St. Martin’s resident from getting the job?
Simply because both categories mentioned (criminals from St Helier; workers from St Peter’s parish) are not foreign (outsiders) they are citizens of Jersey. Therefore, they are free to work and move in their homeland.
What I cannot understand is why you seem to believe that repatriating foreign criminals is a discriminatory act, it happens all the time in EU countries…even in the UK!
In fact, if a foreign national is sentenced in a UK court to a long criminal term (anything more than 3 months, I believe), their case is referred to the Border and immigration Agency, which then considers whether to repatriate the person (this also applies to EU citizens).
Just for the records, in the UK the term ‘foreign’ applies to anyone who does not have absolute legal right to remain in the UK (in other words, people who do not have a British passport or British citizenship are considered foreign). Similar laws apply in other EU countries, so why not in Jersey?
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I am fed up of reading postings from Nellie Macon particularly as she seems to be the mouthpiece (and a large one at at that) for her son Deputy Jeremy Macon. When he was voted in it was her ideas, policies, etc that this poor man has put forward. Maybe he could speak for himself occasionally if she would let him, cut the apron strings Jeremy and get away from your mother, she is ruining your political career. I am in your district and will certainly not be voting for you again, until I can be sure that its your ideas that are put forward. If she wants to stand then let her get on with it, she is far too opinionated for my liking. I know that you do a lot of good work behind the scenes and I have been to some of your surgeries so take some sound advice, let your voice be heard.
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There,s thousands of jobs….just leave the island and find one
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Born Warrior # 74. I just like being contrary and sparking debate. “We are not wholly bad or good who live our lives under Milkwood.”
I take it you deny that we are all responsible for the economic downturn as you prefer to focus on outsiders. This I am afraid on getting out of this mess. We all have to work together – Islanders and outsiders.
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what a bunch of muppets some of you are esepcially Mick, truthseeker etc
Ok so Macon is inexperienced. Hello we all have to start somewhere – how about you lot taking on positions in the states – get elected and see how good you are and as for comments about his mother – totally uncalled for, grow up and leave the poor woman out of it. I am pretty sure her son makes up his own mind and from what I hear does a lot of work for his district those of my friends in it speak very highly of him, I wonder if they would speak as highly of you ?
so don’t just sit there slagging off the Macons – get out there and see if you can make a difference – somehow I doubt it !
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#75 Pretty Lady ‘I am fed up of reading postings from Nellie Macon’
I expect people are also fed up with reading posts from C Le Verdic.
Now we have new kid on the block, Pretty Lady.
I have omly ever seen one pretty lady in Jersey, usually at car boot sales, so I have a good idea who you might be.
A bigger challenge, though is working out who the occasional poster Mike Oxlong is!
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Blue Knight 77.
Actually, we were discussing ‘Quick money savers’ and not foreigners (outsiders).
Not so long ago, I read that each prisoner at the HM Prison La Moye costs the Jersey taxpayer over £50,000 a year. If that is the case, then repatriatriation of ‘foreign’ criminals would be of great benefit the island coffers and, strangely enough, also to the criminals with no family ties…home sweet home and all that.
Furthermore, I do not blame foreigners (outsiders) for anything, as can be seen from the the following comment taken from my previous post:
“Xenophobia, is a fear of all foreigners/strangers, I can see no reference in post 46. to honest, hard-working foreigners who, as we all know, are much needed on the island.”
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@ Mike Oxlong #59
If I’m incorrect then they are obviously making it up as they go along, telling different things to different people!
It does vary depending upon whether you are claiming Income Support or not, so bear that in mind.
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Agreed Fran, It depends whether you receive income support and the circumstances whereby you become unemployed.
No 59. I have checked this again with social security. I am unemployed because I was working on a fixed term contract which finished, so I was not technically ‘made redundant’, so while unemployed, I receive no income support(because my savings are over the limit) and I get a bill for £1,367.25 per quarter for social security contributions!
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