Horses found stabbed
Tuesday 7th September 2010, 2:59PM BST.
TWO horses were stabbed in an horrific attack at the weekend.
Both animals were left with deep wounds after the attack in St Lawrence between 3 pm on Saturday and 8 pm on Sunday, when the injuries were discovered by the owner.
One of the young horses had a stab wound to the chest and the other was slashed. The owner, who wants to remain anonymous, said that he could not believe how someone could inflict such wounds.
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Words cannot express how I feel about these cruel individuals and how sorry I feel for the horses and owner.
Potential serial killers?
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Who would want to hurt an animal in this way? It beggars belief.
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What lovely people we now have in our island. I hope they are caught and punished severely but I won’t hold my breath.
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This is so disgusting. I hope the person/people responsible get caught and get locked away for a very long time.
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how sad , did this not happen a few years ago?
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Why would anyone do this? sick – Just Sick!!
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the people or person who have done this need to be caught fast and sent to jail for a long time to make them change there ways and before they start stabbing people i do hope the horses recover and that anybody who knows who did this dobs them in
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Bring back the Birch i say and give them some of their own mistreatment- thats all they deserve. They are SCUM . No other word for it.
Makes me feel sick and outraged . How could they do this ? They do not deserve to live in this Island.
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5: Hi Small Money, yes it did happen yrs ago, this is something i have never forgotten about! Whoever has done this needs to be found asap! Anyone with any information should do the decent thing and contact the police straight away! They ought to be named and shamed if found, Hopefully they will be found! They will have thier day!
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As an animal lover I’m in tears as I type, lovely regal animals stabbed. I hope the ba**ards responsible are caught and dealt with severely.
WTF would anyone do this.
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Sickening to hear this,but typical from what i have seen is allowed to walk the streets.
Horses are beautifull intelligent animals and with any luck they will recover with time.
Hope they catch the sick bas**rds that did this.
If it was up to me they would get the same treatment as they gave to those poor horses.
Now that would be justice!
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Maybe a reward for information that would lead to an arrest! They need to be found!!!!
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COWARDS!!
They’d better hope for their own sakes nobody finds out who they are because I for one would jump at the chance for some retribution!
There seems to be a rise in media coverage highlighting cruelty to animals….old woman throwing a cat in the bin, girl throwing puppies into a fast flowing river, yob throwing a dog off a viaduct to it’s death….
I just hope this is not encouraging the clueless youth of today to copy them!
Personally, I believe animal cruelty should carry the same punishments as if it were human cruelty……they have no voice otherwise!
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As a horse owner and also someone who has rescued many badly treated animals over time this incident beggers belief. I cannot ever imagine how someone would want to do this to an innocent animal. Do these sick individuals not realise that horses as with all other animals have feelings? Someone who picks on animals in this way is obviously a bully but also a wimp at the same time. They prey on animals in this way as they will not retaliate. I would imagine they would be far to scared to do it to a human who could retaliate.
I hope that whoever did this is bought to justice and I beg anyone who knows who did this to come forward to the police. I just hope and pray that the Police will actually charge the person or persons if they are ever caught, but given our police’s track record I wont hold my breath. Bring back hanging!!
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disgusting, words can not even describe but i bet it turns out to be some kids and then the nanny state will give them a slap on the wrist and of course they won’t be named – just like those teenagers who killed a sheep a few years ago…some people are just bad and they shouldn’t be allowed to roam free. Name, shame and then leave them in the royal square for everyone to throw stuff at them…
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A point to ponder..I seriously doubt even thses sicko’s are actually horse haters…more likely in my opinion that this is similar to those who vandalise posh cars..ie they resent the owner and the fact that the owner has nice things…..a distorted reaction to class divide perhaqps…which let’s face it the rich here are now rubbing the poor’s noses in it.seem too far fetched for you…? think about it.
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OH MY GOD! why would anybody do this? I could cry thinking about these poor horses. If someone is capable of doing something like that – what comes next? who is going to be stabbed next time?! Very scary!
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truthseeker#16
Whoever did this has a seriose problem and needs help (euthanasia ?).
Please don’t distort it to justify your twisted theories.
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I cannot believe that any human being would want to hurt anything so beautiful as these two horses. What have they done to them – absolutely nothing – I wish they could have bitten or kicked out at their assailent(s) and inflicted pain and injury on them in return but like all animals all they do is give, give and give whilst most humans just take – I hope whoever did this is caught and punished – it really makes me cry to see such cruelty inflicted for no reason.
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Highly likely that the owner knows who has done this, even if he/she doesn’t realise it.
This type of crime is not the sort of random act one might think, otherwise there would be more instances. Moreover it is a plotted revenge attack with a definite motive.
Land dispute, noise complaint, unpaid bills for horse feed, claim over ownership of the horses or dispute over another asset or instance (e.g. car damage by same horses).
Cross reference that with the one from 5 years ago and the answer may be easier.
And, No 14 Horse Lover, before any derision is heaped on the Police, their track record is not currently known to a lot of people. However, even if a suspect is known, it is still a long step to put them at the scene and committing the act.
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Some time ago there was a spate of horse stabbing attacks in the UK. The offenders were never caught. However, I investigated similar attacks on lifestock, in particular horses in Wales some years ago. I came to the conclusion that the attacks were random and the persons responsible were living within 3-4 miles of the attacks, there was an of licence or pub within the close viscinity,the person would committ the act alone whilst under the inluence of drink or drugs and would be a young person lacking communication skills and of low education.He would be a loner and others of his age would taunt him and bully him. The attacks would be sexually motivated and the animals would be sexually abused. I was proved to be right in this instance.
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If I recall correctly, there was a spate of these kinds of events in Hampshire back in the 90s. One’s befuddled brain seems to recall that there was a religious aspect…
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i agree with Lula, the should be named and shamed, if they ever get caught and/or charged sending them to la moye is like putting them up in a hotel for a while, jerseys justice system isnt punishment it gives the scums time away to watch tv play video games get there food cooked for them.
whoever hurt these poor horses should face the public!!
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Like all the people who have posted comments here, I feel totally disgusted by this. But it made me stop and think that every time someone puts a knife into a peice of meat on their plate, someone before them put a knife or a bullet into a beautiful, sensitive living animal, for our pleasure. I once visited an abbatoir and heard the cries, and saw the looks of fear in the eyes of the helpless creatures. I no longer eat meat. I hope I don’t sound judgemental but hope that this event may encourage more people to be sincere animal lovers, for the sake of our four-legged friends that can give us so much pleasure in ways other than killing and eating them.
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I too would like to express my utter disgust towards the persons responsible for stabbing these beautiful animals.
I too (like #24) would consider myself an animal lover. I have travelled all over the world to view many of our wonderful creatures in their natural habitats, and have supported many charities which help to protect endangered species, not just by donating a few quid here and there, but by offering time and working on the front line to support these causes.
But I take exception at #24 who has used this awful event to push her views onto us regarding vegetarianism. Please do not let this thread be hijacked by the anti meat eating brigade: let’s stick to the subject instead.
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Animal lover 24
I am truly sickened by this news. A reward might help to identify the perpetrator so he/she can be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I, like you, am an animal lover and vegetarian. I stopped eating meat many years ago after seeing footage of horses being butchered for human consumption in Italy. Unfortunately, the awful truth is that in 21st century Britain thousands of horses are butchered for human consumption every year (mainly for the French market). It is an easy way for the British racing industry to dispose of unwanted animals which have failed to make the grade. They are slaughtered in much the same way as beef cattle. First, a bullet into the brain, then…
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Big Bean#25
I completely agree with you to hijack this thread as a reason to become a vegetarian is pathetic.
Don’t the curd eaters understand one can be an animal lover and still use ones teeth for what they were designed for.
This senseless stabbing sickened me, even though I do find horse meat tasty.
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18 Pjg are you tripping…? the truthseeker did not write @16 “whoever did this needs serious help” but did draw comparison to mindless destructive acts….perhaps the stretch of imagination was a little far for you…there there it’ll all soon be better.
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PJG 27.
I’m a keen equestrian and I’m lucky enough to be able to practice this invigorating sport regularly. To be a good rider you must establish a bond with the horse, it isn’t difficult, horses are intelligent animals with distinct personalities and are capable of forming a true emotional bond with their owners. They have an appeal that touches many of us (as this thread proves), so please avoid comments about finding them ‘tasty’…
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I appreciate Big Bean’s and PJG’s views. I hesitated to add my comment in case it might be considered off track, but trusted the moderators to decide whether to post it or not. Where I think that the point I raised is relevant to the topic is that the perpetrator/s of this cruel act clearly showed insensitivity to the feelings of the horses, treating them as if they were no more than a piece of meat. When we see meat in the supermarket, it is easy to forget that this once was a living, feeling, intelligent creature. Whether we choose to be vegetarian or not, we can at least be aware of what often happens to animals at the mercy of humans, and encourage others, especially young people, to be more sensitive, so that cruel acts that we have just heard about would be less likely to happen in the future.
On a more lighthearted note, please note that not all vegetarians are members of an ‘anti meat eating brigade’, nor do they necessarily eat more curd than others, and they are certainly not only women!
At the risk of going off-track: regarding PJG’s point about our teeth – according to biology, they are not designed for eating animals, which have to be killed for us, cooked and cut before our teeth can do the rest – unlike a carnivore’s teeth which are designed perfectly for the whole job.
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the fact is there is some person or persons running around ow er island brandishing a knife and capable of inflicting harm to defenceless animals.they must be caught .never mind all this rubbish about teeth and veg eaters .who has the hatred and malise to do this .its 10000000 times worse then the bin cat story .also i heard about this being some possible ritchal ? , i hope not as it sounds creepy. i hope the horses recover soon and hope this dose not happen again
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A similar incident happend in St Laurence about a year ago, Some horriblr people fired a dart into the testicles of one of the horses around the same area.
Hope these idiots dont do this again or attack these poor defenceless animals. What would make a person go out and do something like this. Its so sad.
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truthseeker#28
I read “truthseeker” at #16 That’s who I replied to, if it’s not you, OK, but that’s who I replied to. Do you have a persecution complex or are you just plain spaced out?
Perhaps you should use the “report abuse” link instead of whinging to me.
but I stand by what I said, to compare the deliberate inflicting of violence and pain on a living animal to malicious damage of inanimate possessions is a “stretch of imagination” only achievable by a degenerate in my book.
Born Warrior #29
I am a dog lover.
For more than 20 years I have competed in many disciplines of man + dog competitions (not poncy crufts type dogs shows I add).
To obtain the levels I have achieved one must work very closely and form a bond of trust akin to that you describe between yourself and your horses.
I have eaten dog as well (not one of my buddies I hasten to add, even a calouse old got like me has limits), bit tough, similar to an old goat. So long as the animal does not suffer and is killed humanely it’s OK with me, after all when its dead it only a carcase. I would get a bit concerned with cannibalism but that’s a different subject
You really must stop your fastidious eating habits impinging on the free speech of others.
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30 Animal lover,
I am interested in where you have learnt so much about dental anatomy?
Humans have Molars at the back, used by herbivores to crush cellulose material found in plants. These have flat tops and you can easily tell which ones they are with your tongue. Incisors are those eight teeth at the front and are a bit like garden spades. They are adapted in omnivores for shearing sharply and biting off meat. In-between are the Canine (Fangs). They evolved to hold food in order to tear apart. Not very useful in eating plant matter, but perfect for animal matter.
With teeth specialised in breaking down both animal and vegetable matter, its clear that humans are omnivores, built to eat both animals and plants, using either the front or the back to help digest food. Choice to eat one or another is a personal one, not an evolutionary one.
Humans were designed/evolved (depending on what you believe) to eat animals, not cooked animals, as nature so rarely provided them until we learnt to tame fire.
But to harm one for no reason is just pathetic.
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Thirty something,
I just did a quick ‘google’ on human teeth and found thousands of different theories, beliefs and philosophies – scientific and otherwise – to support every possible opinion on the subject! So I think I have bitten off more than I can chew …
Choosing not to eat meat – when I was thirty something by the way – was more from my own intuition than because of scientific opinion or following others’ beliefs. It just felt right for me at the time, and I’ve never looked back since …
I just read a JEP news item regarding thoughtless harm to yet another of our Island’s horses – and its unfortunate rider. It must be tiny minority that would deliberately commit such acts, but twice in one week seems way way too much for the caring community that Jersey is known for worldwide.
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PJG 33.
I, too, have dogs. I feed them fish and white meat (cooked in my kitchen), so I don’t know where you get the idea that I’m trying to convert the world to vegetarianism. My other half eats meat too and I accept that…it’s just that I can’t swallow the stuff!
You see, when I look at a steak I see the animal in its entirety and no matter how I try, I can’t get that picture out of my head. Hence my ‘particular’ eating habits – which I don’t apologize for even though you find them fastidious.
P.S. I’m very glad to hear that your ‘buddies’ are safe and will not end up in a stew…I knew you had a heart in there somewhere.
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This keeps playing on my mind. After a number of incidents of slashings that happened almost 30yrs ago in the island involving a number of horses and the horse that was shot with a dart approx a yr ago and now this. I noticed that there was a cow in the field with horns, could this have done damage to the horses if they were in the field over the time the incident took place? Where the slash wounds were, could this have been done with the horns of a cow?
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PJG….! yet again you miss the point…Oh well.
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I would argue that humans are omnivores.
I would guess that our distant ancestors ate mainly a vegetarian diet but would supplement this with eggs, small game, fish, etc, as and when they could obtain them.
We can be vegetarian but we have a definite fondness for animal protein, most feasts involve the consumption of meat.
As for cooking, my cat prefers cooked meat to fresh. Raw chicken is interesting but roast it, pull apart and allow to cool to cat consumption temperature and it is a lot more tasty in cat terms and gravy helps it go down!
If my cat had a credit card, could operate the cooker and make gravy I would be redundant!
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I am pleased the common theme among all of us posting here (Veggies to vampires) is
WHOEVER IS DOING THIS IS TWISTED.
Let’s all be vigilant, especially at night. If you are making a car journey and can, make small detours past where you know horses are outside unattended.
If you see suspicious goings on use your mobiles to ring the police, 612612 if it’s just suspicions, 999 if you are certain attacks are happening.
If possible note any registration numbers of cars they are using, note a description of the suspects, numbers, Male/female, tall, short, fat, thin, do they have a hat or not, hair length and colour, skin coulour,style and colour of jacket, jumper shirt etc, style colour of trousers, jeans, shorts, colour of shoes.
Anything that is unusual and easy spotted from a distance is especially helpful to the police, stripes on clothing, large logos on tops,
A memory trick is to start at the top and methodically concentrate on each section till you get to the feet.
Remember they are sickos and are using weapons on these horses so ARE ARMED, DO NOT APROACH THEM, KEEP YOUR DISTANCE. Do not follow them on foot, lock your car doors and stay inside, note the direction they leave. Let the police do the chasing and apprehending.
I am sure together we can help the police stop these senseless acts on defenceless animals.
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Born Warrior#36
You are doing it again! Where have I said, or intimated you are “trying to convert the world to vegetarianism”
I can only assume it’s a deficiency in your diet that’s affecting your memory.
Try eating the dogs (sounds tasty) dinner while thinking of queen and country.
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truthseeker #38
no, I just ignored the the bit where you wandered from reality.(again)
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PJG 41.
Er…sorry! Are you disconnected or has someone erased your memory?
You actually said:
“You really must stop your fastidious eating habits impinging on the free speech of others.
I believe you were referring to vegetarians (of which I am one) hijacking this thread in an attempt to spread the word of vegetarianism.
But never mind, you’ve probably forgotten what this thread is about by now!
P.S. Do you have problems with the English too?
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#16 Truthseeker, the person/people who did this are unlikely to be making a statement about wealth or posessions (although it’s not entirely unfeasible that it is about a grudge against someone). Still, it is most likely that it is an escalation from doing similar harm to smaller animals and will escalate to extreme violence against humans. At least one person must surely know who did this, and it’s in that person’s own best interests to tell!
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13 BS Deluxe
“clueless youth”…………….for goodness sake, dont believe everything you read! know any young people? they are not as impressionable as you believe. most have a social conscience and would be as devastated as everyone else at this attrocious crime. what were you like when you were young hundreds of years ago?
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Born Warrior # 43
OH dear oh dear, memory problems? How old are you?
OK just for you, slowly.
In my 27 which by the way was directed at Big Bean#25, I had the effrontery to say horsemeat was “tasty”
You then asked me, because of YOUR, as YOU later said, “particular’ eating habits”,
to “please avoid comments about finding them ‘tasty’” (horses not meat)
I posted
“YOU
Really must stop,
YOUR
Fastidious eating habits
Impinging on the free speech of others (referring to me).
Where oh where do “I believe you were referring to vegetarians” (all of them or even some) come from?
And you translate for a living.
Come on man your an ex copper, “believe” should not even be in your vocabulary, you really must get a grip.
And your
“P.S. Do you have problems with the English too?”
Where the hell in your wanderings did that little gem come from?
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Out and about at the weekend I noticed a great deal of frustration being caused by horseboxes, up to three in convoy, and riders along the northern parishes route.
It is not difficult to see why horses and the horsey could be disliked by some outside the hobby. Not that I am condoning savage behaviour as the solution.
I have to agree with P.J.G. that horse flesh is quit palatable. No wonder going to France for meals is such a popular activity with the locals.
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truthseeker your points are wrong. Trying to make an excuse for these sick individuals who should be treated very harshly.
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This sort of thing has been happening to working class people in St Helier for years. Yet as soon as it happens to a horse in the countryside everyone gets on the soapbox.
And what’s it got to do with vegetarians anyway? The only thing you can say with certainty about a vegetarian is that they are untrustworthy. Much like teetotallers in my opinion. They should be banned from public debate.
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PJG 46.
Re: “Where oh where do I believe you were referring to vegetarians (all of them or even some) come from?”
I think it is obvious that it comes from your reference to my “fastidious eating habits” and me being a vegetarian!
By the way PJG, I do not translate for a living, I write for a living and translation is an important part of my work…but arguing isn’t!
However, you are obviously specialized in “How to argue your point ineffectively and lose every time”. So, rather than be part of an unproductive series of comments, I’ll end here in the same way as I end tiresome discussions with ‘my other half’:
“Of course you are right dear, you always are!”…then I add under my breath…”Except when you are wrong!
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Whilst I absolutely would wish the prepretrator to be caught and punished, I do find many of the comments in this thread rather over emotional.
It was probably done due to a grudge against the owner rather than drug crazed teenagers dancing naked is some diabolic ritual.
As for horses…intelligent …..since when? do you know how tiny their brain is? , and most of that is used to regulate & control their body.
As for the meat eating argument, I see no problem in eating horse etc as long as it is humanely slaughtered. As far as slaughtering ex race horses for the french market….as I understand it the horse flesh market in france is pretty much dead..at least in comparison to decades ago. As I recall it’s also a very healthy meat so encouraging it’s consumption would be a good thing.
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45 Jeez Louise
I don’t have to read about it thanks. I am not that old myself and happen to know plenty of people of all age groups…..and I would certainly never harm any defenceless animal intentionally. In fact, I’d happily teach a lesson to anyone I caught doing so.
However, I have witnessed some “youths” (past and present)who have done something idiotic just to prove they can, were bored……or simply just to feel “cool”.
These are the “clueless youth” I refer to
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Born Warrior
Originally the phrase in question was
“Trying to convert the world to vegetarianism”
You were the one who conjured it up from nowhere!
Perhaps you should ask Mrs Born Warrior why you end up having “tiresome discussions” with her. She is obviously fed up with your wriggling and inability to concede to the facts as well.
Still at least we agree the person/s that did this despicable deed need to be caught.
(Or do we?)
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On the subject of yoofs doing silly things I remember shaving my eyebrows off. It was during adolesence when I often got nervous and sweaty. Soon learned what eyebrows are for.
Stabbing a horse is just not on, in my opinion. Nor is worrying a sheep. But I’m all in favour of foie gras.
The best way to respect animals is to eat them.
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@49 roger phlegm
the reason why there is a big hoo-hah about it happening to the horses and not the “working class people” is because horses are INNOCENT. people are NOT. you expect this kind of behaviour towards and from another human being, old news! you do NOT expect things like this to happen to innocent animals who in general will approach a human for affection etc. you place too much value on the lives of the corrupt by the looks of things and not enough value on the lives of the truly innocent.
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Frankly it’s a real shame that some of you have implicitly suggested that this might have been done by a ‘Youth’ despite any evidence beyond historic anecdotes, be they true or fictitious.
In using the word ‘Youth’, you are suggesting that age might be a factor as to the reason why someone has engaged in this behaviour. I simply do not see a causal link. The person who has done this is clearly somewhat derranged and in need of psychiatric help – their age is irrelevant.
Pierre Bourdieu anyone?
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Eddy 51.
Obviously, you don’t have much contact with horses or if you do, you don’t know much about training them. Horses happen to be very affectionate animals and if intelligence is measured by speed of learning then horses can be considered very bright.
They have a extraordinary sense of observation and an exceptional memory. What horses do not have however is ‘problem-solving intelligence’, but then again neither do all humans!
By the way, the racing industry over-breeds horses in its search for winners. The horses that don’t make the grade go to horse abattoirs…and I think you know the rest. However, I will say one thing, if these horses are destined for the food chain, it’s better they are slaughtered in Britain and exported on the hook rather than the hoof.
PJG 53.
How could we not agree on that.
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What does working class people go to do with it? They are made out to be the downtrodden – guess what – the working class are the one’s responsible for most crime. It was probably working class kids who did it!
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How do they know for sure that it wasn’t the cow’s horns, or the horses fighting, or a run-in with a fence post?
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It is possible that the nutters who had been inflicting the same type of wounds on fenced-in Horses in the Southampton Areas last year, have maybe fled to Jersey C.I.?
If you catch the mindless b…….s, for heavens sake use the Cat-o’-nine tails on them. Nothing less than 10 lashes each – then salt the wounds!!
Bring back Corporal Punishment – not ASBO ‘Medals’!!
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“Recent studies even suggest horses are able to count if the quantity involved is less than four.” Now that is intelligent….and there i was impressed by the gorillas and chimps that could use sign language and boards that talked when they pressed certain buttons
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