Taxpayer ‘putting unequal share into Jersey Finance’
Monday 27th September 2010, 3:00PM BST.
TAXPAYER funding to promote the finance industry should be reduced to match what the industry puts up itself, according to Deputy Geoff Southern.
Instead of taxpayers contributing more than three times the amount put in by banks, trust companies, fund managers and lawyers, the Deputy says that Jersey Finance Limited should get back to the original plan of equal funding from the States and the industry.
During last week’s Business Plan debate, marketing budgets for the industry was one of the few areas of States spending to see a big increase – with an extra £400,000 voted to support a new promotional office in the Middle East.
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Hey Geoff – guess what, Jersey Finance contribute through taxes and employment a great deal more than the rest of the island!!!
Without which, you and your mate will get what you clearly seem to want, huge unemployment as a result of havign no finance industry!
Bye bye Geoff, if you didn’t get the message at the last Sentatorial election, you will for when your next election is up.
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I am weary of this anti-finance stance from the left because its almost as if they want the finance industry to go elsewhere. Translate it as you may but their political views are either ill thought out or simply hateful to an industry which thousands rely upon for work and the Goverment relies upon for tax. Bring on the elections, we must get these bozos voted out now, they are too dangerous to stay in Government.
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Well said RT. Couldn’t have put it much better myself.
Jersey needs politicians of this calibre like a hole in the head!
Please, Mr Southern, break a habit and think before you speak!
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This man has no clue about anything, without a finance industry this island IS finished regardless of what you finance industry haters may think.
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nice one geoff, given the choice this sounds a good idea, after cuts dealt out to les ami and alike .
while jersey finance opens a bottle of wine .
i am not anti finance .
i wait in line , for a leg up and hand out , whilst working , but there is more chance of pink pigs flying.
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Let me get this right (and please correct me if I am wrong) -
1. this is the guy who voted against a debate concerning a review of government salaries;
2. this is the guy who is campaigning against largest revenue producing sector in the Island;
3. this is the guy who clearly doesn’t want to support an organisation whose mandate is to create investment into Jersey thus creating job opportunities for every islander (not just finance related);
4. this is the guy who doesn’t understand that banks, trust companies, fund managers and lawyers also make a huge funding in terms of the time spent in supporting and assisting government initiatives.
who is he speaking on behalf of……
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Taxpayer being unfairly supported by Jersey Finance. The Finance Industry pays far more tax than the rest of Jersey and this should change according to Geoff Southern.
I would like the finance industry to leave Jersey, and I will attack them when ever I can through increasing spending on everything and hence increasing tax so to drive them away and then cut what they get from the states for marketing.
He is this daft
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truthseeker, you are miss guided. The finance industry gets huge tax breaks here in jersey, what geff is talking about is tax payers money and priority spending by our government. It must be said that corporations make money off the backs of ordinary people which is fine but this should be remembered whilst commenting. Everything in life is intrinsically connected this huge fact seems to be absent in peoples deductions. whilst religion puts God seperate to people others like truthseeker will do the same whereas science does not make that mistake. There is cause and effect, nothing else and no-one can opt out of life.You are it.Life.
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A ratio of 3:1 against the tax payer – seems fair to me.
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I agree with Southern on this one, especially as the finance industry has had its tax rate reduced from 20% to 10% under the zero ten regime.
The tourist industry should also contribute 50% to Tourism’s marketng cost’s.
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Giuno -I am gald you were nto elected after that incoherent comments, and clealry misunderstand the situation. Jersey finace firms pay 10% tax. It is not a tax break! In addition, there is the 20% for owners. Funds that domicile here, with foreign investors pay zero tax (as is usual elsewhere). What is critical as well as the 10% tax is the fact that without the finance industry, HUGE unemployment of local people (as well foreigners). More locals by the way.
So Gino, you being unelected is an absolute god-send.
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I agree with geoff. If only the hard working, productive finance industry were replaced with a load of lazy unskilled whingers who paid for geoff’s election campaigns then I think geoff would be better off too.
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trutheeker, what is a corporation? Does it have arms and legs. if you find one let me know.
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Mr Southern you make no more sense here than you did when you knocked on my door campaigning for election. My comment from that time stands now, you may recall it was brief ending in off. We must do everything we can to encourage finance and make Jersey an attractive place to do business, otherwise the banks will simply move somewhere else. And before you say good riddance consider how many locals work for the banks and how much tax is generated from that employment.
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Real Truthseeker.
I am behind you 100%.
The sooner Southern goes the better. This man has clearly lost the plot, and is obviously trying to make a name for himself before he loses out massively in the next elections, and toddles off into the unknown.
Also agree with you re Gino. Thank god he wasn’t voted in.
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If any of you bothered to read his proposition on the States website you would see that the auditor general recommends the funding for jersey finance realigns to what was proposed when it was set up.
Tax payer funding has increased nine fold while the industry has only increased by three.
When it was set up it was agreed that the industry would match every pound paid for by the government. Apparently this was important so that the industry acknowledged that Jersey Finance was not some States run thing but a partnership with them.
While we cannot afford a hydrotherapy pool I think Geoff has got it right to ask for this to be sorted out.
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#14 Sensible comment. I’m getting the impression that agreements don’t mean much in Jersey, and people aren’t taken to task when they fail to meet their side of an agreement.
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8 gino risoli – I can see why you weren’t elected, your grasp of grammar falls below poor.
Lets start with your name, capital letters for Gino and Risoli, miss guided is one word with one s – misguided. jersey is a place name hence capital letters – Jersey. geff is a name so capital letter and also correct spelling is Geoff ( read the story if you can’t figure it out )
It degrades from here with a lack of punctuation, capital letters missing from the start of a sentence and an unintelligible conclusion. Actually scratch my original statement, you’d have made an excellent politician, you’d have fitted right in.
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Gino – a corporation is a legal entity which pays its taxes either as a flow through to individual ownership or direct taxation. It employs individuals, without which would be unemployed.
It has legal status as an individual. Metaphorically, it has a brain, arms and legs.
We need more of them.
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Most finance businesses in Jersey are not locally owned. They are parts of international banks. These banks have offices in jurisdictions all around the world. In general, they are looking to close down offices and develop certain jurisdictions as centres of excellence.
JFL does not exist to help those banks bring in new work. It exists to help the Jersey branches and subsidiaries of those banks to bring in work that would otherwise go to other jurisdictions. It directly helps the Jersey branches and offices to get the work that employs Jersey people and ultimately pays Jersey taxes(whether directly through the 10% or profit or indirectly through the 20% on income tax).
JFL is fighting a battle to make sure Jersey remains attractive compared to Guernsey, Luxembourg, Singapore, Malta, the Cayman Islands etc etc.
If you ask the industry to contribute to that fight it is counterproductive. Asking head office in London or New York, Paris or Geneva, to sign a cheque for £50k to help fund “Jersey Finance” does not go down well. Because head office gets nothing out of it, and asks “why should we pay this when we don’t need to in Singapore, Cayman etc”. So when they consider which jurisdiction to close down, contributing to JFL becomes a factor against Jersey.
The money is spent for the benefit of those working in Jersey. It is not spent helping “fat cas” or “rich bankers”. They will get their share from their global business anyway. Supporting JFL just means Jersey remains part of that global business.
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What a tool. Does he not realise that the vast majority of tax is paid by finance workers, who presumably are pleased to promote the industry that pays their wages?
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Roger Phlegm: Well put and argued.
Problem is quite often facts and truth coutn for nought here, as the rampant anti-finance lot use lies and propaganda to peddle their wares.
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it appears as if there are many on this island intent on biting the hand that feeds them.
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roger phlegm
There is a fallacy in your argument. It is the electorate that votes for the politians that pass the laws that keep places like Jersey “part of the global business”.
JerseyFinance is merely an advertising arm.
Unlike, say, Tourism, the taxpayer is already subsidising Finance by offering an environment designed to undercut its competition.
By saying we need JF to bring the business in implies that the mighty global corps that benefit the most from islander’s generosity are useless at their job.
0 tax and secrecy laws are not a natural resource to be exploited like the beaches and the weather. They are paid for by everyone.
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8 Gino….my spies tell me you are quoting my name in vain……now even the Truthseeker knows the difference between a Rissole…..and a Risoli….I know it’s not terribly important but some peoples semantics are others semolina..I know you are a good hearted guy with a social conscience, and sometimes misunderstood…..at least we are not namestealers or sad trolls…so if I see a posting that reads “will the real Gino Risoli please stand up”…. at least you’ll know I’ll know.
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At the election after next – watch for the Real Truthseeker who will be running for a States position…
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“At the election after next – watch for the Real Truthseeker who will be running for a States position…”
Time to crawl out of your cave?
Pick the ground and I will stand against you.
We could fight for St Helier deputies, it is open and I love a scrap!
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À bétôt at the next election!
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who is voting for this man… elected in 2002 and re-elected in 2005 and 2008. does he not realise Jersey is alive due to the finance industry. If the finance industry packs up and leaves to a more suitable jurisdiction, Jersey’s head will finally be underwater. The industry employs thousands where would these people work? The industry brings millions to the local economy? and I presume the taxes paid by the workers in the industry must be a huge chunk of income tax revenue, where would we recoup this loss from?
Looking at this mans voting hitory it reads lie a truant childs report card. Is it not their job to attend and vote but then again i thought it was their job to work in the interest of the island and ultimatly the islanders and to be honest I dont see many deputies doing this or when they mention something rarely is action taken. Some deputies I have never seen, never heard what they are up to. Out of interest how much is a deputy’s remunaration?
Whilst i am biased and work in finance and take home a good wage for what is hard work and a high level of risk and very stressful no matter what anybody says, it is so easy for the finance haters to shred the industry maybe due to jealousy of the wages being earned I dont know but I dont think they have really though of the severe implications losing this industry would have on the island. Tourism died and has been brought back to life slightly but it will never be the same as the 70′s and 80′s when it was the industry to be in.
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Pip, soudns like a good plan. Though won’t be in St Helier, live out of town…
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Will only run where I can win…
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(31) you will not get my vote.
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#32: I know whose vote I will get, and those I won’t, and whilst I am not counting on yours SMALL MONEY, I take comfort in the fact, when you come to vote, you just may one day end up voting for me anyhow.
I could be anyone.
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“#32: I know whose vote I will get, and those I won’t, and whilst I am not counting on yours SMALL MONEY, I take comfort in the fact, when you come to vote, you just may one day end up voting for me anyhow.
I could be anyone.”
If you espouse the ideas that you put forward on here you will not be picking up many votes in any country parish with their huge flocks of conservative NIMBY’s.
Out in the sticks, people like James Reed and Judith Gallichan are looked upon as dangerous radicals.
A liking for spuds and cows and a dislike of development anywhere near any influential resident’s home is the ticket to stand on.
Your views on St Aubin’s village would make you about as popular as the janitor with dog poop on his shoes in the partner’s lift in that parish!
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Dave No 10. What tourism industry? thats a joke I take it. Why not ask the farmer?
No 26 see you there.
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