100 flats and 600 parking spaces in St Aubin scheme
Thursday 30th September 2010, 2:59PM BST.
BDK Architects’ impression of how the coastal park would look after the completion of land reclamation.
DETAILED plans for 100 flats, a 600-space underground car park, shops and offices for a new reclamation scheme in St Aubin have been revealed.
As reported yesterday, former Transport Minister Guy de Faye is behind the £55 million project which has been drawn up by BDK Architects, which includes a village square – on the existing car park by the parish – and a ‘coastal park’ of 10,000 square metres, as well as a park and ride bus link to town and a boat park.
Further information on the proposed development on reclaimed land next to St Aubin’s Harbour was released at a media conference yesterday.
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So does this mean that we are about to loose all the charm of St. Aubin’s as well now?
I’ll keep my fingers crossed that someone with a brain makes sure that the designs of the buildings fit with their environment, as opposed to our “World Class” waterfront.
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Not a good idea really, who will fill these flats, where will the supportive employment come from, also I remember how clear the water use to be over the seawall opposite the old Funland on the Esplanade, after the reclamation in that area the water turned dirty and rubbish swirled about due to the altering of the tide, the same will happen at St. Aubin
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Guy de Faye has already done enough damage to the south coast of the island with his siting of incinerator in St Helier. He seems to be on a mission to continue in the same vein.
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Im glad guy Defaye is going to pay for this, what a nice man for doing this for the island. Thanks Guy
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O.K. So what has Guy De Faye to do with this…one wonders why he would invest time on it….to say nothing of the desecration of a fabulous area…people seem to not understand if you develop an area that was initially attractive…it loses it’s original charm and becomes just another botch….do not give way to more parking…if you want to get there park as near as poss and walk the rest…given the number of restaurants there and the eating done the walk would help the islands mounting obesity problem…anyone remember La Cala on the costa blanca…went from quaint and charming fishing village to a concrete carbuncle in less than 3 years..unbridled development developers are hit and run merchants and do not care.
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Yes, St. Aubin is a beautiful little village and should remain so. However, having read the narrow minded response so far, I can only assume the contributors have not studied the proposals. The way I see it, St. Aubin is always crowded with cars and this scheme would put them all out of sight – subject to the Parish banning cars on the streets. The proposed Park would provide extra walking and relaxation area, with superb views across the Bay.
Subject to the proposed flats not being more than three stories high and of excellent design – which does not mean granite everywhere – this development would be of much more benefit to the Island than the high rise monstrosities the other side of the Bay.
So come on Public and Planners, stop sticking heads in the sand and make a giant leap forward for a change.
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“Someone with a brain makes sure that the designs of the buildings fit with their environment?”
Dont hold your breath as the same person who is apparantely behind the drawing up of the plans with BDK architects for the St Aubins regeneration project was primarily responsible for the incinerator farce and the effect of that “blot on the landscape” can clearly be seen from the pier at St Aubins.
Dont expect the wishes of the people who live and work in the St Aubins area to be taken into consideration either. When has that ever stopped the people with pound signs for pupils from carrying out schemes that fulfill their own interests before anyone elses?
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Very interested to see if the 600 car parking will be free as a resident the parking situation has become intolerable.I think the scheme has some merit provided we do not end up with the same architectural build as the waterfront which is an unco ordinated disaster.
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Agree with 1 and 2.
What is wrong with leaving it alone St Aubins has that fishing village charm still, why take that away. We are not Monaco and if these people coming up with ideas see us becoming a Monaco then why can’t they just go and live there instead.
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No to the flats
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Leave St.Aubins as it is.Once you go down the road of reclamation it won’t stop.Next thing you know they will want to reclaim the land between St.Aubin and Belcroute or out to St.Aubins Fort.
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as i often visit the island, A lot of the charm is these underdeveloped villages. As stated before this is not Monaco and this type of development shuld be kept to the larger towns, but hopefully beter designed than the waterfront!!
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why not go out the other side of the harbour as well and join up to the fort, yes to no more than three stories high.
also a mix of for sale to the rich and some affordable housing and some social rental.
if no afforable homes and no social housing, for get it. lets create something for allwalks of life for a change.
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They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique
And a swinging hot spot
Don’t it always seem to go
That you don’t know what you’ve got
Till it’s gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot.
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What I don’t understand is how a failed politician can ask for a scheme to be prepared on land/beach/foreshore that he doesn’t own? It can’t become a Planning application as the application form would have to be signed by the owner.
There was a similar scheme kicked well and truly into touch a few years ago, perhaps its a ruse to de-value St.Aubin property so ‘someone’ can snap them up cheap!
The residents in general don’t want it, it will end up being funded by the tax payer, it will be an Architectural carbuncle (re designed by a high profile UK Architect please!)several politicians will have their pockets lined…..therefore only one outcome ‘APPROVED’
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Some may wish to stay in the dark ages, but I am a fan of progress. Bring it on, good looking modern buildingss, decent restaurants and bars – keep the troublemakers out. All good!
Just keep the unions away!
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No No No No No.
The reason the village is busy is because it is the way it is. Changing it will ruin the area.
One day planning has to take a step back and say ‘No more’.
Growth is not always a good thing.
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St. Aubin is soo charming and should stay as it is now.
Traffic problem should be sorted somehow – but not by ruining St. Aubin with 600 parking spaces, not mention 100 new flats.
It is mostly St. Brelade traffic, so why don’t bring back old railway to life – it will cost less, decrease traffic (if properly run) and attract more tourists.
It’s not Win-Win – it is 4 x Win solution.
1. for St. Brelade – will decrease traffic makes easier to get to the St. Helier
2. for St. Aubin – will reduce traffic and will not ruin village.
3. for St. Helier – less traffic.
4. for whole Jersey – cheaper solution, and will attract more tourists – more revenue.
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I imagine this ‘vibrant, iconic, etc’ development will be by the same people who created the urban slum known as the St Helier Waterfront.
Who is going to buy the 600!! flats, there are 2000 plus properties for sale currently.
Leave St Aubin alone. You and your money men have caused enough destruction to this Island already.
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I’m with FUBAR. Why don’t they make the existing car park in the old quarry (?) by the church into a multi-storey if they need more car parking? Loads of space there.
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More Flat Why?
The Island is over populated now
The Finance is in trouble, cutting back, down sizing and even some pulling out of the island soon their be a glut of properties including these proposed flats.
The car park that is by the church could be built upwards similar to the one that proved a success on the inner road at First Tower “Planning go and look at this Car Park it was a great use of a small space”.
Why spoil the village this will ruin the beautiful old worldly area.
It time that the planning stops over developing the island and say ‘No more’.
Other wise when the finance pull back the island will have nothing left to reinvest in or to attract back Tourism.
Growth is not always a good thing.
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We obviously havent leart anything from the mess that is st helier
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What is the next drivel we are going to be fed before October by this somewhat unwholesome source.
*It will be a job creation scheme for our unemployed Polish construction workers.
*Ok then how about 1000 Category A houses because they are desperately needed (and I get 200+ votes by doing this).
* The new boundary will provide a greater ‘natural environment’ for snails than the current outdated wall provides.
*It employs a ‘local’ architect rather than one with an international reputation as previous projects have used.
And remember a few months ago this former politician announced that he has three new reclamations on his drawing board. So we have the pleasure of more ‘fag-packet’ wonders to come.
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@Real Truthseeker
Decent restaurants and bars? I’m taking it that you have yet to visit the Old Courthouse, the Tenby, Cheffins, the Indian restaurant, the Boathouse etc etc and all the other wonderful places already found at St Aubins.
How many restaurants and bars do you need?
Quite how wishing to retain the relaxed, indiosyncratic environ that is St Aubins equates to living in the ‘dark ages’ escapes me.
And what have the Unions got to do with this? What possible connection could they have with all this?
You don’t half talk some gibberish mate. Or troll well. Either way… /ignore.
WB
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Slawek- star tup the railway again? You must be kidding. throwing good money after bad. It stopped because it was a white elephant. Learn from mistakes! Don’t repeat them!
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My first reaction was here we go again – they’re destroying yet more of our unique environment…
My second reaction (after looking at a satellite view on Google earth) was… wow, that’ll actually look really good!!
There’s a big green area. A lot more areas for fishing, especially around those rocks, fish love those, this will actually benefit the environment & my belly!!
Cars will be underground & not on show as they currently are!!
(As long as it’s not another useless concrete jungle like its waterfront friend opposite, lots of green, trees, nature, then people will love it!!)
Green, trees and nature – operative words there!
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A new bus link to town? How?
All that is is a bus stuck in traffic!
Bit like the ‘superquick’ No15 which was supposed to get you into town quicker by not stopping at certain stops……….apart from the traffic …same road… same problems!
And you wonder why De Faye didn’t get into the states again……uuummmmm….point and case me thinks!
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WB that’s the beauty of being RT, as you haven’t nor many do manage to ignore me, and certainly the election after next even more won’t be able to.
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Aukward.
i dont think anyone is suggesting that this scheme is purely designed to employ the polish masses that have come to live on the island, nor has it spouted any rubbish about providing 1000 Cat A homes or homing any snails.
The scheme WAS devised by a local architect, i’m sure without a doubt that if a famous international practice had designed the scheme it would be three times as large and mainly covered in housing.From what i can see it offers alot to the area in terms of removing the eyesore of cars parked everywhere, reducing congestion into st.helier and lovely big park land.
I would agree that any proposal that was worked out fully would need to take onboard the sensitive nature of the location and the effects that it would have on tidal flows and the cost line.
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oh god guy de fay do not let this man anywhere near st aubins look what he did to vic ave and the buses and the incenerator and also wanted to pass a law to let anyone dig up your land for pipes etc
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Just have a look at the properties for sale in today’s JEP and then tell us we need more.
We, the locals, do not want yet more hideous developments like what has been allowed at Portelet.
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@Real Truthseeker
/ignore
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#18 ‘It is mostly St. Brelade traffic, so why don’t bring back old railway to life – it will cost less, decrease traffic (if properly run) and attract more tourists.’
Nice idea, Slawek, but they might need to buy back Corbiere Station House at the current price. They should have done it a couple of years ago!
I’ll be all right. we’re right next door to the track. Just a matter of getting the train to stop.
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“WB that’s the beauty of being RT, as you haven’t nor many do manage to ignore me, and certainly the election after next even more won’t be able to.”
Chief Minister Phillip Ozouf could appoint you as head of Economic Development!
You could finish off what is left of the Jersey economy even faster than Alan Maclean is trying to do so.
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This Island just gets greedier. This has been designed purely to generate more money for the construction industry right now…I honestly can’t see any long term benefit. We run out of space so we rob more from mother nature…just so we can park the hundreds of 4x4s this Island doesn’t need somewhere.
I look forward to reading the comments about how awful it looks and comparisons made to the Waterfront sometime soon!
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24, W.B.
Agree entirely with your comments.
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It always surprises me that the politicians and policy makers of Jersey always seem to be out of touch with the majority of the people they represent. Why not vote for people who have the same views as yourselves?
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Yes St Aubin can be a lovely place, lovely area, restaurants, pub’s, but truth is Gorey has the same & gets the sun longer!! Similar bus times. But parking @ St Aubin is pants & not just for those who are visiting. The ability to get rid of all the cars parked on the road with one mirror missing, due to 30 mph+ impact can only make the area safer for all users. If you’re happy for the old toilets to be turned in to an eatery, then this idea can only be good for business for St Aubin!! Totally agree, not so much of a need for these flats unless it’s a way of funding & maintaining the project at no additional cost to the tax payer or residents of St B!?! The other option is for the parish to turn all parking in to residents parking only & get the St Aubin establishments to work together to provide a transport link, businesses in Guernsey have been doing it for years, not so backwards as we thought eh!!
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What a sad and dreary place to live now!!Moved her 10 years ago and it was ok but now……horrible.Moving back to Spain next week and can’t wait. Island is finished regarding employment,accomodation,tourism and weather.Tesco’s last week,12 bags of shopping £87,this week in Jersey 6 bags for £127.Goodbye and good luck,leaving a sinking ship I’m affraid!!
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There’s a boat in the morning put the Civil Servants on it… no more shortage of accomodation.
Simple.
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The flats make the scheme economically viable, otherwise there would be a huge cost to the taxpayer or parish.
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Real Truthseeker (25) . Learn from mistakes! Don’t repeat them!
Brilliant! Let us all return to 1930! No railway, just buses; no finance industry, just tourists; no housing problems, the imports had yet to arrive; no far-right politics; the Nazi party, had yet to win an election.
If you, Real Truthseeker, can advocate such radical change of heart I am most heartened. Well done.
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WB: Your point is ridiculous – if that is the best you can manager, then leave such a debate to the adults. You clearly can’t argue against my valid points if thats yoru best.
NUOVA VISTA @42: I appreciate the attempt to try and block me in, however some mistakes you mention we clearly must learn from, and others I don’t regard as mistakes. Finance Industry has brought welath to people in Jersey and worldwide which woudl never have experienced long term employment, and change in wealth status. Accordingly this along with good sound development shoudl be encouraged.
As an import, I do take offence at yoru comment, however revel in the fact I am here to stay, and am breeding!
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Hi Nuova vista #42
“………1930………the Nazi party, had yet to win an election”
I think that we can take it from “Real” Truthseeker’s post #28 that he intends to stand in “the election after next”.
After you have stopped laughing – Be afraid – Be very afraid ! – This is Jersey and doesn’t Real Truthseeker continuously demonstrate that he is a respector of other people’s rights and opinions ?
Keep it real “Truthseeker”
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I think you will find the island is run by hypocrites.
look at what they say! then look at what they do. I know most wealthy places have greed and corruption but this is becoming so apparent here on the island.
We are treated like morons.
One example of this,
we have been told we will have to cut down on driving, become more green and tighten our belts. The States respond with, lets build this, oh and this and maybe this. All for what! Is it the good of the island or just some people who run it.
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Are those flats like the ones of which they already had 2400 too many about three years ago ? And so many more have been built since. What does it take for Planning to understand “too many” and “not enough” when it comes to affordable housing.
By the way, as I am no longer on the rock, I lose sight of it a little bit but … have the shops at the Abattoir been let already ? And what about that big building on the roundabout near Green Street ? Surely, that has been let now as well, hasn’t it ?
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46 Abbatoir not really finished empty as at last week. Big building near Green Street, still empty.
2000 properties for sale and ‘they’ say we need more.
Will be interesting to see what the corruption investigation throws up ……….
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45 Helen back…you raise a valid and sinister point…the lies spouted by the Govt are as you correctly observe transparent to those with half an eye open…Mr Jackson has proved beyond doubt the folly of having a constable as a minister,he has presided over some real clangers – the Avenue debacle,££thousands to get rid of the pretty lights etc..asking people to cut down motoring the most practical transport which as the weather gets worse will hit home,when he is part of a C.O.M. whose agenda is unbridled growth….so hang on you all walk everywhere while we import more people who will…yes wait for it…drive.. they are creating more reservoir capacity and increasing the electricity capacity all over the island = more people, houses ,building. overloading an already creaking infrastructure all because of out control spending and the out of control civil service. when will we say enough…?perhaps the goal is another Hong Kong.
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@Real Truthseeker
/unignore for a moment
Thing I find about you my friend is that your views are consistently indicative of that huge segment of ‘I’m alright Jack’ Jersey that sits in front of their JEP and television with a large brandy (and a propriatorial eye on the Land Rover parked outside in the drive) bemoaning things such as working unions and opposition to needless development whilst having absolutely NO IDEA of what is going on behind your Daily Mail plastered facade of imperious security.
You endorse ideas and schemes that support your own notion of self without paying any real attention to the realities that result and the effects felt by other people outside your own smug ambit.
No doubt you and all the others will be voting the usual culprits in again come election time thus ensuring that nothing ever changes and the beautiful island of Jersey’s slow yet continually slides towards some kind of paved over, anodyne Financial playground. Will be good for your stocks and capital funds, no doubt.
As for the fact that you are ‘breeding’ – how pleasant a way to describe your children. Your use of said cattle metaphor only reinforces the impression of emotional torpor and detachment from your fellow man.
WB
PS /ignore again
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In response to Free At Last (comment 46) I am no longer in Jersey either but last time I was there the building near Green Street roundabout was still empty.As for the shops on the abattoir site progress seems very slow and not much there as yet according to my local contacts!!As for building 100 more flats at St Aubin I have one word – WHY?????
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GetReal (44) Thank you for your comment. Having spent years facing down real ‘terrorists’ I am not afraid of the bigoted views of ‘Real Truthseeker’, just alarmed at the downward spiral that elements of the local community.
The proposals for St Aubin, much of which I would support; car park; reclamation; park; et al are thinly veiled attempt to place a commercial housing development on a prime ‘public’ site. Hypocrisy on a grand scale!
I also accept your point “………1930………the Nazi party, had yet to win an election”. For all their faults during 1940-45, the Germans did not rape the island and left in 1945. I have known and worked with Germans, and I respect them for that; just as I know and respect many within our immigrant community.
However the comments from Real Truthseeker (43) “As an import, I do take offence at yoru comment, however revel in the fact I am here to stay, and am breeding!”, demonstrates total disrespect for the host community.
I also accept that an attempt to debate with a rhinoceroses is futile. We just have to trust in ‘common sense’; a recourse which, this being Jersey, is in short supply.
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Free At Last (46) And what about that big building on the roundabout near Green Street ? Surely, that has been let now as well, hasn’t it ?
Due to the ‘pressure of availability’ this new building has NEVER been occupied in over 8 years!
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WB – I find it hilarious, however hard you try, you are unabel to ignore. Same as truthseeker, always rabiting on about trolls, trying to ignore, but forever looking for my comments.
Let’s get a few things correct (and Nuova Vista, this applis to your fallacies as well, of which there are many for you both). My views are entirely consistent with the majority of Jersey views, and the fact that I am breeding is tongue in cheek, however that would be lost on the unintelligent. I don’t own a Landrover, I own three motorbikes, two Audi’s, and a boat. No Landrover. Don’t enjoy any such liquers, the odd red wine a beer and tonic water for me, since my dietry habits are coming into it.
LEt’s get the ciritcal thing striahgt, not only will the ‘usual’ lot be voted back in, but in future I mayu well be as well. The typical moaners (truthseeker etc.) are simply carryign on negatively about EVERYTHING in Jersey. The usual repsonse woudl be to go leave. Simple.
My two points I maintain is this: You lot focus on getting personal when you can not put together a coherent valid argument. So getting personal is the best you lot can do. Well done, it doesn’t bother me, it is hilarious, and love the box. Secondly, Jersey like everywhere is going to go through development, and unless they are embraced and worked with and contrioobuted, then we get what we deserve.
My argument is perfectly valid, and only because when I put together my contributions, all you lot can do is get personal. I look forward to decent development across St Aubins and elsewhere. We need it. It is called Progress.
Now leave the debate to adults! I have an election to prepare for!
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Nuova vista at 52: Yoru comments are wrong. That building I can assure you has been let, and is unoccupied. A company let it several years ago, then decided not to move into it. The owners therefore have no need to fill it, because they were paid a penalty clause for the lease nto going through.
Technially it is financially leased.
Again, stories and truth don’t sit well for you lot, as my comment above points out.
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Well RT: I think you are receiving the brunt of the typical anti-this, and anti-that. Those type of people, from truthseeker (oxymoron!) to NV and GetReal are probably all the same person.
At least your views have a valid logical point. All of your respondents seem to get personal.
Never fear, they are but a vocal minority! I agree entirely with your points of debate, and the fact the engaging in this process is much harder, but will bring about greater improvements in development than being a simple armchair critic.
Of course, the easiest thing to do is to label someone a Nazi, when that happens, RT, you know you have won the debate.
Congratulations.
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Real Truthseeker (54) Thank you for confirming the truth of my post, that “this new building has NEVER been occupied”. Congratulations; congratulations and honesty which will probably sit uncomfortably with you, or to quote you “you lot”.
Jersey Bean (55). You logic is warped. Read before attempting to engage brain. I have never accused anybody of being a Nazi, not even the Germans I knew. By your own twisted logic you should now retract, having lost the debate.
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Thanks JB and others – let’s debtae this like adults, and ignore the ridiculous verbal diaorhhea of those who have nothgin better to do but whinge and complain.
Coming from New Zealand, we look at this lot as typical ‘whinging POMS’. And they wonder why they get that moniker!
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Hi Real Truthseeker #53
Interesting who “got personal” first:
(1) here at http://www.thisisjersey.com/2010/09/30/100-flats-and-600-parking-spaces-in-st-aubin-scheme/
you commplain of “getting personal” and aparently want “a coherent valid argument”
(2) at http://www.thisisjersey.com/2010/09/29/landfill-and-park-scheme-for-st-aubin/
you indicate that you want a real debate
This is after your comments at (2):
#18
“Just don’t let the Unions get their greedy little fingers anywhere near it” – Of what relevance is this ??
#25
“go all feral and anti-developer”
“feral lefty greenies”
#30
“ignoramious fools”
“just downright foolish, and those shoudl leave the arguments to the adults to have, and go back to the sandpits”
Here (1) your comments include
#16
“Just keep the unions away” -Where did that come from ? AGAIN
#43
“WB: Your point is ridiculous – if that is the best you can manager, then leave such a debate to the adults”
I hope that sorts out the “getting personal” issue and explain why he could easily be mistaken for a fascist or for someone who doesn’t respect other people’s rights and opinions
I am not generally a supporter of unions but unions seem to be a worrying fixation for “Real Truthseeker”
Your comment #40 at http://www.thisisjersey.com/2010/09/29/landfill-and-park-scheme-for-st-aubin/
does warrant a reply -As a business-person with kids to look after I have better things to do than re-educating you, (yes arrogant -but you like that don’t you?) so I will keep this brief and incomplete for the moment:
So all the development on the waterfront so far was only intended to be temporary?
How long was the ground lease on the cinema site etc ? -something like 99 years wasn’t it?
and at rather a low rent?
WEB staff included a good balance of designers ? – No just financiers I think?
and we wonder why the waterfront is such a traffic accident
And even if St.Aubin was the right place for a land reclamation scheme you expect us to have confidence that you or the developers/politicians would get it right first time?
I think that perhaps you (or whoever is providing you with information) is making it up as you go along.
please tell me that the waterfront hotel is only temporary – Please !
Also ask your mate “Jersey Bean” to explain why apparently he thinks “truthseeker” is an oxymoron. The search for the truth is endless -perhaps it is an oxymoronic paradox to think you have found it ?
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The Truthseeker is only one person…a loyal to their homeland Bean…….The bad manners and behaviour of some of the guests in our island is truly nauseous….there are those however who have come here,respected our ways,appreciated the natural beauty and been accepted by the real community…and to their own surprise have come to know what we are all about here and like it…it is those who fail to get that last bit who are excluded and react accordingly and therefore happy to trash the place,bit like a resentful N’er do well who scratches a nice car because of jealousy…we know who they are…..and they do not fit.
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Stop raping the island ,,, leave it alone and stop bowing to the developers ,,,
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Nuova Vista: The point abotu the building not being filled is the lessor DOESN’T WANT IT FILLED!
It is like talking to monkeys!
I agree with JB – your points were implied accusatory, as it wans’t woth the reference without it. JB – No need to retract! I hope you don’t.
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“Real Truthseeker
Posted October 1, 2010 at 11:36 am
Slawek- star tup the railway again? You must be kidding. throwing good money after bad. It stopped because it was a white elephant. Learn from mistakes! Don’t repeat them!”
Real Truthseeker, I believe you’ll find you’ve made the mistake.
The island’s railway was not “stopped” because it was a white elephant. It “stopped” following the ill-judged removal of the tracks during the post-war islandwide scrap metal frenzy.
Prior to the war the line had functioned perfectly well as a civillian venture, and during the war it functioned well enough for the occupying forces to further extend it.
Today a narrow gauge railway linking St. Helier and St. Aubin would be the simplest, most cost effective and logical solution to traffic and parking problems on the seafront.
I find it quite astounding that anyone could seriously consider a basic public rail system to be a white elephant risk, but this is Jersey.
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WB @49
The problem with Trolls, is they crave attention and pen barmy and silly thought provoking stupid views just to get attention.
Your post at 49 reminds me of nail and sledge hammer spot on. Sadly every blog attracts one or two trolls, just like moths to a light, moths are actually not very intelligent either.
PS/ ignore Real Truthseeker end of.
Davey West,
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#62,#49 etc.
Boys, Boys, Girls ! – Calm down now.
There is no need to ignore anyone, not even “Trolls”, “Union Members”, “Neo Fascists”, “feral lefty greenies” – everyone’s views are valid for us to assimilate, challenge or ridicule as we feel appropriate.
- This is a discussion forum.
Even “Real Truthseeker” may come up with a valid point based on identifying the operative factors/principles. Wait and see – watch and learn. Our minds are not completely closed, not mine and not even Real Truthseeker’s (I hope).
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Davey West – and WB both try to ignore, but by the very fact of their comments, they try and try and try, but fail.
You know I am right.
Turthseeker: I don’t want any of my cars scratched by you jealous lot who moan abotu those who are successful.
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Try as you may W.B and Davey: by the very fact you conitnue to whinge and moan about me, failing to discuss the actual points raised demontrates you will never be able to ignore me.
Truthseeker: guess what, you and your lot don’t like those successful in finance here, and with my cars, I don’t want them scratched by you vauxhall driving lot thank you very much.
See you at the election after next.
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I think the plans are brave and exciting. St Aubin is beautiful, it has a real community village spirit but it doesn’t mean to say that this development will ruin anything. There are so so many narrow minded tunnel visioned people over here who oppose, fear and hate change it unbelieveable. I think the plans are bold, and actually look quite nice and will enhance the town of St Aubin well. I am all for it and thumbs up for someone at least who has a bit of vision.
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Good point GETREAL @ 64.
As always as ever, defend the right to a view point, even if disagree. The likes of those rabid moaners, they want to crucify anyone who doesn’t agree with them.
Very dangerous – and exactly as the Nazi party behaved.
Though, don’t expect much else from Davey, WB, and the truthseeker, so wouldn’t waste yoru breath on them.
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Real Truthseeker
If you’re really planning on standing for election, can I respectfully suggest that you start being a little less hostile first?
That’s the problem with democracy, you see – it’s all about impressing / (fooling?) the majority of society to ensure you obtain enough votes, which for most of the populace means you just have to look good and say nice things so that they vote for you.
You can fool some of the people all of the time, as the old saying goes, but first they have to like you.
Anyway, I suspect that you may well be the only Kiwi standing for election, so it may be worth just ‘updating’ the attitude on these forums, you never know how many potential voters are reading these threads!
I’d be interested to hear your views on crime + punishment, also welfare handouts for the not-so-deserving. Whilst I don’t always entirely agree with your comments, I suspect you’d be a good candidate for sorting out some of the social problems we’re currently experiencing.
Good luck with it anyways
Tobias
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Real Truthseeker
Ref. Traffic accident on the waterfront:
They were not TEMPORARY they were MISTAKES !
MISTAKES which have been PARTLY superseded by subsequent plans. Me and my associates were there at the time, giving of our own free time – what waste!
P.S.
We do not want to know anything more about your cars – I think we can tell where you are coming from even from your first posts (and why you might need the big cars, big boy?)
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Looking forward to picking out Real Truthseeker in the next election – his manifesto will undoubtedly be a sheer hysteria of badly spelt right wing bilge.
To be accused of attacking on personal grounds whilst not being able to produce a coherent argument is laughable. I would have thought that my argument is perfectly clear – St Aubin is a wonderful part of the island that will (IMO) lose much of it’s charm if subjected to the proposed redevelopment.
Picture the scene in 20 years time as your children ask you what St Aubin used to be like before the carpark and flats went up. “Oh,” you’ll tell them, as you exit the Pizza Hut there, “there used to be boats there, and buoys, and grey sand or sea, birds, that kind of thing. It was a lovely place to come to.”
And then you will look out across the carpark that now smothers the view and sigh, remembering a time when Jersey was still Jersey and not the blocked in over-developed hole it is now…
Remember when you coudl still see Elizabeth Castle from St Helier? Remember when Havre des Pas was but a sea-side bathing pool and run of hotels free of that concrete cube monstrosity that now ruins it’s view out to sea? Remember when St Aubins was just a pretty little harbour?
Two out of those last three we can do nothing about. The third we CAN…which is why St Aubins redevelopment should be avoided at all costs.
Redevelopment…YES. Just in areas that need it. Leave those that don’t alone.
WB
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Tobias: Good points, and cheers for support. I will be obviously local-fied by then, and it will be election after next. I suspect the haters here will remain that anyhow. If these arguments are all I have to worry about, then shoudl be a shoe in!
GETREAL: I was only bringing up cars, cuase someone kept going on abotu a landrover etc I think that was WB – you know him, the one who ALWAYS is ignoring me ha! ha!… big boy? Well, I am a kiwi! The cinema building on the plan outlining those buildings only ever stated a fifteen year life-span for them, and woudl be replaced on a final waterfornt plan. That was what those plans actually stated all those years ago.
WB: Good to see you ignoring me. Woudl hate to see what woudl happen if you took notice. I doubt I will be saying those things to my twins. They are goign to be living the way it is then, not in the past. Living in the past achieves nothing. My father woudl talk of Christchurch as a wonderful place to grow up, as I also recall, but differently – not better or worse, just different. St Aubins with a good development will be DIFFERENT – not better or worse. The opportunities will undoubtedly be much greater to offset ‘grey sand and birds’ (unless of course, you mean the two legged bikini variety, which if thats the case, lets not go with development!)
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I was born and grew up around St Aubin and I have to admit i’m for development of the area.
That little bit of mucky sand wont be missed by anyone, get off your rears and go and poke your head over the wall and look for yourselves and you’d agree a green park to walk around, a car park to cope with much needed demand and a few modern, tidy buildings, will make St Aubin a better looking place and fit in perfectly with the old stone of the lovely parish hall.
St Aubins got charm enough, yes, but by land filling that unused and rather mucky space will add much more charm without a doubt.
Old and New together look rather nice, they have developed the old slaughter house into a fantastic melange of old and new. Bring it on.
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People you heard it here first – the next time you see a Kiwi with twins standing for election come election time – it’s RealTruthseeker, the man who’s advice to the people of Jersey in need of social housing is to ‘stop breeding’ (on another thread).
Looking forward to seeing you defend some of your statements on this forum come hustings!
WB
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Hi Real Truthseeker #69 (at time of posting),
“69″-turns out that you may be able to “satisfy” half the electorate after all !
-though I suspect that you require further training:
You say “Good point” but than make it obvious, within the same post, that you have failed to take it on board.
Oh dear.
-On an almost completely different subject I have just seen tonight’s Simpson’s, A classic – the one about Blinky the 3 eyed fish and Montgomery Burns using his money to get elected as Governor- and nearly managing !
Across the world there is a frightening correlation between electoral funds and electoral success. -True but frightening.
All my love,
Marge x.
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WB “there used to be boats there, and buoys, and grey sand or sea, birds, that kind of thing. It was a lovely place to come to.”
Are you talking about the gloomy, smelly corner which is not really a beach by island standards?
With luck, if this area is developed, this uninspiring corner will get shifted further north and if they get the hydrodynamics right it might even be an improvement.
You never know, it might drive away the ‘French Lettuce” which sometimes appears in the bay.
Let’s hope that they install some decent pumps in the subterranian car park or we might find we have a new, unplanned, storm water cavern.
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It is unbelievable anyone is even considering building at St Aubins. Its a beautiful the way it is, very unique. They have already made a mess at the Waterfront
Stop giving out more qualies we don’t need anymore flats.
Are they going to call these ones LUXURY like everything else that is built and charge some crazy price!!
Wendy
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#70 “to ensure you obtain enough votes, which for most of the populace means you just have to look good and say nice things so that they vote for you.”
I notice you don’t say “be good looking”? A Kiwi could be a nice looking addition to what is a rather bland looking team. Hey, if they can’t be good they might as well be eye candy!
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Leave St. Aubin alone. There is little of the existing land reclamation schemes that are worthy of merit. Lets not let St. Aubins go this way.
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Not content with ruining ST.HELIER for the last decade or two,they are now looking for pastures new.
Don,t let them do it,stick to your guns or they will walk all over you.
Too late now for ST. HELIER with blocks of ugly flats a waterfront even uglier,a dirty great incinerator belching out god knows what when it opens what hope is there for us that lives in ST. HELIER?
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RB Bougourd – good point – exactly mine as well, just might want to duck when the left-terrorists start throwing their much around.
GET REAL: Nice one. Love it re: Simpsons.
Love back to you,
Monty
xo
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Leah (78) you could hardly say that Mr Shenton is bland…he’s scary.
Nice chap though, and good, sound policies (I had to say that otherwise he might eat me)
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Hey Leah – all kiwi’s are eye candy
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then again, so are the Jersey lasses… must be as I married one
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For all the anti-this, and anti-that, leftie, green social terrorists, you might want to get some even more facts, and look out to the Fort at St Aubins. See the giant crane out there.
That is there because it is falling apart, and needs serious work to be done on it.
This applies elsewhere, and the States will run out of money, if all you want is to leave it as it is. Clearly you anti lot need an education.
The States will require commerical contributions to this, and accordingly commerical interests will want (quite rightly) a return on investment.
Therefore, bring it on, and ENGAGE in the process.
But then again, the Trotsky-ists like WB and Truthseeker (if ever there was an oxymoron) won’t understand the word ‘negoiation’, they are too busy with their vehement vitriol.
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@Real Truthseeker
Quite right my friend. I have no idea what the word ‘negoiation’ means. Please enlighten.
I soooo love the way that my unwillingness to see St Aubins filled in and levelled out to provide flats and car parks makes me a supporter of Trotsky. Absolutely hilarious.
You MUST be a troll…you’re absolutely superb. Bring on the next laugh!
WB
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Real Truthseeker (85)
We are ENGAGING in the process and we are saying NO so you can stop repeating yourself.
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“look out to the Fort at St Aubins. See the giant crane out there…That is there because it is falling apart, and needs serious work to be done on it”.
I suppose you want to reclaim that side as well so you can walk to the fort when the tide is in.
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Of course
“commercial interests will want (quite rightly) a return on investment”
on that as well.
Well goody for them.
Get lost!
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