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Alex

Umm, maybe you should stop your moaning, its not as if their going to knock it down down.

Ow yes lets have a great big fat expensive inquiry to investigate it, I think I would rather my taxes spent more wisely.

Now weather it was right or not whats done is done so get over it!!

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C Le Verdic

‘…its not as if their going to knock it down down.’

Here’s a thought:

Maybe T.T.S. have been employing people with modern G.C.S.E English who decided to spend there money building it their.

They’re again, some say it doesn’t matter as long as it makes sense!

(With acknowledgement to another poster, recently retired from the fray).

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Lara Luke

Alex, sorry I think you have got it wrong we are foremost concerned with the safety of people during operational phase of this plant. It’ s all about ‘worst case scenario’ in our risk assessment. If the worst case scenario happened would Jersey emergency teams be able to cope? In my opinion – no – you only have to look at the last serious incident of the JEC spill to see that they had to draft in people from the UK.

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Keith in St Helier

If there has been a mix up in the pictures perhaps the JEP can publish an up to date and scaled site plan with all the relevant informtion on it. This can include distances between tanks and what they contain. It is not a security or commercial secret as it will be accessile from various locations. T&T’s and the States of Jersey Fire Rescue Department have on file the Buncefield Report Recommended Exclusion Zones as well as what activities are allowed or acceptible under certain criteria and even banned within those Zones. So they can easily explain what risks if any are present now or in the future. I would assume that we are not entirely legally bound to follow those UK guidelines and Mr James CEO of the SOJ F&R Service will have had to agree to any deviations from the UK regs. However there are always the Moral requirements, bearing in mind how diffcult it was for Jersey to cope with the JEC Acid spill. Jersey residents and visitors should be protected to at least the very minimum requiements of the UK and Europe which ever is the most safe at this time.
If there are any undue risks associated with the present location of the Mass Burn Municipal Waste Incinerator, specifically chosen by the senior managers of T&T’S, people need to be made aware of them immediately and told exactly why have they not yet been dealt with, or made public knowledge.
I expect that non of these concerns would be being voiced unless there are qute serious and elevant concerns – which need to be addressed.

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Julia

@ #6 Spelling Police

Ha ha ha ha.

ClV has written a post totally full of deliberate mistakes to be funny/ironic, and you’ve fallen for it and think that it is real. Oops!

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Village Idiot

Whilst prancing naked around my back garden overlooking the shire of St. Helier, I often muse the destruction of beauty that behelds this land.

Protruding from our once beatiful Island are all manner of ugly monstrosities. Behind each of these cancerous growths are evil, selfish leaches desparately grasping at cash and sniggering as they look at their bank balances.

I feel dismayed for what has gone on and what the future holds. Alas, I fear that all is bedeviled in this land and the good has escaped on the wind.

I shall retire now to muse some more but leave you with this quote:

“Its not the cough that carried him off, its the coffin they carried him off in”

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UEXPAT

Who on earth allowed the incinerator to be built at that location???? did they have their head in the sand when they signed the planning permission??? does anyone in the know understand that id you put a flame to petrol or gas that a big fire will start???? numbskull’s and it shows! not to say that tourism will suffer? the whole south coast of JSY is scarred by the obnoxious sight of it? why was it not built at Roznes????? or the old pontins sight or do the people that agreed to it live there?

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PJG

C Le Verdic
I thought you had learnt what an ignorant self centred fool you make yourself look when correcting spelling mistake on a site such as this. It’s a forum, a site where people of all backgrounds and aspirations exchange opinions.

I leave the island for a week, and low and behold here you are reverting to your holier than thou, bigoted, spiteful ways.

Now go away and write 100 times
“I must never again ridicule those whose circumstances I have no knowledge of just because I think I am their better.

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Castlecaretaker

Mark (10) quite right- the 4 JEC tanks to the north hold heavy oil of the kind you describe, the tanks have to be heated with steam to keep the heavy oil viscous. But There’s another tank to the south- that’s the one referred to, photo wise. The point SOS were making really was that the photo caption was wrong.

The nearest fuel farm tank is only 80 metres west of the plant and there’s up to 100 buses parked between at night. Plus no proper emergency access road yet built and when it is it won’t be good enough. Not sure about physics but I think SOS have done their homework. I checked the map on jerseyinperil.com and its perfectly correct.

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C Le Verdic

P.J.G.
Go away, in turn, and write 100 times:

“I must learn not to get wound up by C Le Verdic, who, besides making many pertinent observations on many subjects, frequently ridicules posts which openly lend themselves to ridicule; regardless of the often unknown (to Le Verdic) circumstances of the posters, which in most cases is probably irrelevant, the issue being the sense or non sense which the orthography, or lack of it, conveys”.

While you were away you may have missed the revelation that I’m only in the honorary spelling police. I thought that you, particularly, might have supported them! They’ve only given me a tabard to wear, though, no car with a parish crest just yet!

I get the feeling that you don’t often enjoy my posts. Never mind, eh?

It’s “Lo” (and behold), by the way. Or was that another baited hook amongst your chervie? (The P.J.G. variation on “Just testing”).

Ah, yes, now, …the incinerator. Doesn’t affect me currently, so I won’t comment.

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Tobias

“akin to being racialist”
love it

PJG, I think C le Verdic was making a valid point when he ridiculed “Alex” coming on here at post # 1 and dictating that SOS are just “moaning” when they selflessly go to the bother of investigating what could possibly be a potential major safety issue.

Now personally I have not looked at the plans online and thus cannot comment on whether the threat is real or just “moaning” but from the poor quality of the post by “Alex”, I would suggest that he has not put much thought or research into the matter either. Nothing of substance to say, just “duh, stop moaning”. As C le Verdic pointed out, the poor grammar and spelling leads me to suspect that “Alex” was either drunk when he wrote it, or is of a fairly low intelligence – as such, I would put more faith in the likes of SOS – who appear to have done their homework – rather than the post by “Alex” which is basically a poorly-written badly-thought-out MOAN.

Good work, C le Verdic!

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Tobias

LOL he’s off again…light the blue touchpaper and stand back, now enjoy the fireworks as PJ explodes all over the place

It’s not just bad spelling, PJG – that could be forgiven. It’s the fact that he cannot even be bothered to check what he has written ie “down down”, that sort of thing speaks volumes about the poster.

Oh, PJG, just for the record, you said “you really are a nasty piece of work….still I suppose your mum still loves you?” – now, bringing someones mother into an debate to score points, that’s pretty low, do you not think, even by your standards, and certainly for someone who claims to take the moral high ground. FYI, PJG, my mum passed away 3 months ago but I would hope that somewhere she is watching and still loves me, yes. Now, what was that about a “nasty piece of work?”
Once again, you happily compare me to the Nazis, simply for picking up on bad spelling and lazy grammar – something I learned from my teachers at school, who also were obviously all Nazis in your eyes. Ridiculous. You blabber on about me losing credibility, then you gleefully sink to waaay below anything I would ever, ever consider saying. You, PJG, are the one who has lost any credibility, so go back under your little rock.

Now then, just to get back on topic; personally, I also agree with the sentiment of comment 1 in principal ie stop moaning about the incinerator as it’s here to stay, unfortunately. However, an important safety issue has been raised, so I wonder if “Alex” would be shouting to just “stop moaning about it” if he lived in the immediate vicinity..?

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PJG

AHH Tobias
Due to your recent deceitfulness can I believe you?
If you are telling the truth I offer condolences for the recent loss of your mother, a fact I could not be aware of.
But, again only if this is true, I am so glad my delving into the depths of your uncaring sewer has given you a taste of what you are giving others.

One of the reasons for my vociferousness when people such as you use phrases such as “the poor grammar and spelling leads me to suspect that “Alex” was either drunk when he wrote it, or is of a fairly low intelligence” is that my wife is dyslexic, she struggles hard to hide the fact as she is ashamed of being so. You and your likes are the cause of her being ashamed of something she has no control over.
She, and I suspect many in similar positions never join in on sites such as this and we are all the poorer for this.
You might say I only pick on those that are “drunk or of a fairly low intelligence”.
Firstly, you don’t which or even who are dyslexic.
And even if the posters you are picking on are drunk, my wife would feel shame as her contribution if made would have similar spelling and grammar.
I don’t think she and her opinions should be hounded away from forums such as this.
DO YOU?
(Please don’t ignore this question as you have many others of mine, this is really the crux of the spelling issue)
There are times when accurate spelling and grammar are essential but I can see no reason why this site should insist on it.

Back to the thread!
“so I wonder if “Alex” would be shouting to just “stop moaning about it” if he lived in the immediate vicinity..?”
Try reading my post #16
Ask yourself the question, how many people live within 200 meters of oxy/acetylene cylinders

C Le Verdic
My apologies, in future when you deserve such I will call you a “Parka” (any particular colour?)
I also bring to your attention that ridicule (not advice) of spelling and grammar to “slapdash” “idle or blissfully ignorant?” makes those that are unable, due to the likes of dyslexia feel their efforts at written communication are something to be ashamed of. I ask you the same question.
I don’t think she and her opinions should be hounded away from forums such as this.
DO YOU?

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PJG

Phyllis Stein#25
Actually it could be 8 x 4 depending on tides and where measured.

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29

bread

Is this a forum or just the news with a comment box underneath?
Seems like some grown adults have enough time to bully each other on the internet.

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Havre de explosion

We could all see it, common sense really, except for those buffoons who voted for it! Never mind, we have November 5 th coming up. How about a bonfire celebration on a filling station forecourt? That is only marginally more ludicrous than putting an incinerator next to a fuel farm.

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Sanity

We are not in the UK – we are on a small Island – Why should the Jersey tax payer have to continue to fund these pressure groups when every other good cause is having to cutback. If save our shoreline want an enquiry then let them pay for it.

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Tobias

C @ 30
I expect TLS would probably deny there was any need for keeping an eye on currency fluctuations, but then again Mr ‘No Recession’ himself would possibly just deny that there is even an incinerator in Jersey, despite there being rather a lot of evidence to the contrary.
“There is no incinerator, and the matter is now closed”
In fact, TLS is rather like old Nelson with his line, “I see no ships”…indeed, both of them being great leaders, adored by their followers, with legacies that will live on forever.

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Mr. Logic

It’s actually closer to 10 by 6 miles, check it on a map sometime!

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PJG

C Le Verdic#32
I do not profess to be an expert, but as you have shown interest.
As I understand it Dyslexia is not just writing but also reading, a spell checker can help but as soon as it offers a choice of words the dyslexia kicks in and jumbles it all up, word processors and spell checkers still need a connection to the brain through the eyes, this to me, appears to be where the “difference “is. My wife tells me the best method “for her” is to use two pieces of paper, one each blanking out the word before and the word after, this allows her to concentrate on the single word. Her writings are seldom impossible to understand, sometime a double take is required but the meaning is usually easily understood. In our normal day to day life the dyslexia is not a problem in all other ways she is a normal, loving, intelligent person. Unluckily for her she was schooled in the 60s when someone like her was branded “thick” and unworthy of a teacher’s attention (Tobias would have made a great teacher in those days). I keep telling her it does not matter when unknowing egotists utter comments such as, this must have been written by a drunk or someone of lower intelligence. But one can still see the hurt in her eyes, for her to contribute on this site with its plethora of nit pickers rubbishing her thoughts because they were misspelt would be unthinkably embarrassing for her, and that my friend, is your loss.
She describes it as her brain is wired differently, she will write a sentence and to her it looks fine, but to others it’s a misspelt hash.
On the good side dyslexics can be very artistic, luckily in my wife’s case this is so. You, Tobias, etc may berate spelling and grammar such as hers but I bet you would be jealous of her paintings and her understanding of light, colour and shade.
This is why; unless circumstances demand (legal, financial, etc) I get so angry when people say if an opinion is not written correctly it’s of lesser value.
Please don’t cynically view this as playing the sympathy card, it’s not. I am proud of Mrs PJG, and the way she handles her “difference” not her inferiority.

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PJG

Mr. Logic#37

As said by Slartibartfast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slartibartfast

“I just love those fiddly edges”

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C Le Verdic

Thank you PJG. An interesting reply.

You and your wife might be interested to know that, when handwriting, I don’t tend to misspell in my minds eye but frequently write ahead of myself. This I call ‘discriptia’, correctly or otherwise. I also do this on the keys and consequently have to thoroughly check before hitting the ‘Post Comment’ button. Occasionally a mistake gets through, in which case I have a laugh at my vulnerability to retaliation.

I don’t come on here to exercise feelings of superiority and I think that you are reading too much of that into it. There are posters on here who are very evidently struggling and except perhaps, once, a long time ago, I don’t poke fun at them. On that occasion I prejudged that the writer was able to take a hint on typing. I got it wrong.

I also ill-advisedly made light of the trend to use medical conditions as an excuse for mere bad behaviour in children. As you say I cannot always know about concealed circumstances.

However, when some who claim to have been well educated, or well worth outlandish salaries, paint a grandiose picture of themselves and then let themselves down with solecisms and apparent carelessness, I swing into action.

As I have told you before, the object of the exercise is jest. Many posts I make are not concerned with mistakes and are penned to introduce some levity into the subject. Most of the posts relating to mistakes are made to knock pomposity or draw attention to contradictions in the sense of the post due to uncorrected errors. Frequently the pedantry has already started and I throw in my two penn’orth.

You, unconvincingly, have decided that I am malicious and to YOUR shame (sorry about the capitals but we don’t get offered bold or underlining here), and you are not backward in dishing out shame, you sometimes stray into on gratuitous rudeness in your chastisement and are often content to escalate the matter. I don’t see that as a sign of good judgement.

How about looking closer to home for signs of bullying and put downs?

For example, the phrase ‘that my friend, is your loss’ doesn’t sound friendly at all. It sounds rather dismissive and superior to me.
Your ‘Still I suppose your mum loves you?’ comment to Tobias, who, in the nicest possible way, I would describe as possibly needing some corners rubbing off, was unnecesary and I am not surprised that he countered it.

Those are the sort of patronising expressions which might have come from a less than diplomatic member of an emergency service which you sometimes allude to a tenuous connection with.

Forgive me for not kowtowing to your instructions to me on how to conduct myself. It is, I am sure you would agree, ‘a free country’. I don’t think that I have behaved in a bossy way towards you, apart from my retaliatory 100 lines.

Even if I were to feel like taking orders from a fellow poster, I should point out the saw “Nobody changes for more than a week”, so I don’t expect too much improvement from you, either, but a reduction in the ‘crawl back to the sewer’ etc. nonsense would reduce the chances of future escalation and save my valuable time for creating more levity instead of needing to stand up to rudery. Besides that, unlike accidental typos, such expressions lower your credibility.

To be fair, I don’t think that you have yet used that other derisive expression ‘pond life’ yet but perhaps you want to stay on the right side of a certain lawyer!

In passing, I would say that our debates are far less offensive than the ongoing nastiness in the forum from a fairly recent arrival who seems incapable of letting posts from one particular other go without a snide response. It is a pity that such behaviour was not nipped in the bud by the moderators.

I can’t say that I have noticed you, PJG, chastising any of the deliberately spiteful posters.

Tobias,@35, re my #32, I have never bothered with taking the Micky out of TLS although I will never forget him in that Meerkat dome! Why don’t the editors use that photo as their standard mugshot of our worthy leader? One of the best pictures in the ‘Post’ since the Commodore Clipper nosediving in a heavy sea! That* is Jersey, for me.

PJG, Tobias and I could all get worthwhile jobs at the incinerator, fanning the flames!

*The Clipper, not TLS.

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Perspicuous

The incinerator needs fuel in order to operate, it is going to be supplied by the JEC power station along with water for steam and the chimney. It will be supplying the ‘grid’ via the power station.

Call it ugly or too large but where else should it have been put? Guernsey?

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C Le Verdic

Thanks, Born Warrior. A true comrade.

Always happy to learn, I’ve never claimed to be perfect.

I will try and use unrounded brackets (if that’s what they are called) where applicable. Mind you, I might check up on correct usage first, or seek a second opinion!

Are you the technical author, or is that another regular poster? If it is you, I will take the punctuation advice without question. It is rather disconcerting reading mistakes from lawyers and the like and I am naturally suspicious of the free advice which some of them are giving!

By all means use smileys yourself. I hoped that I could avoid them by sticking to exclamation marks but I was told off for putting three in a row (or was it question marks?) when trying to indicate degree!!!

This incinerator thread continues to get nowhere, slowly.

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Born Warrior

C Le Verdic 47.

I think (or should I say “I hope”) it is obvious that my use of square brackets after a full stop was simply to draw your attention (cheerfully) to the fact that we all break the rules…and yes, I am a technical writer.

Just for the records, the full stop always falls outside round/square brackets at the end of the sentence. However, square brackets (utilized mainly in technical documents) should only be used to clarify a specific point.

PJG 48.
Tuppenceworth, my two penn’orth or my tuppeneth?

All correct…I believe it depends on slight variations in spoken English in the UK.

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