Retirement age to rise to 70?
Thursday 28th October 2010, 3:00PM BST.
The retirement age may rise within ten years
THE retirement age could have to go up within ten years and may have to hit 70 by 2050, Chief Minister Terry Le Sueur has warned.
Senator Le Sueur says that longer lifespans and the cost of retirement care and medical help mean that Islanders will have to work for longer – potentially another five years.
Last October, a report on the future of Social Security funding said that pension reserves might be exhausted by 2025, and that the retirement age might have to go up to 68 as a result.
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Shouldn’t they be concentrating on getting School Leavers into work first before waffling on about the age of retirement?
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I said this recently on the topic of pensioners not being able to afford the rise in GST. I firmly believe that by the time I reach retirement age it will be at least 70. As others have said in response to Mrs Minihane’s concern for today’s pensioners, they enjoy much greater prosperity than we can hope to achieve.
Basically I’m resigned to retiring either at the point of death or close to it, not such a bad thing if today’s pensioners are anything to go by, a miserable lot who exist to complain IMO.
And to think the French are complaining about the prospect of raising the retirement age to 62.
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OH yeah
What about the young ones who leave school.
If all the old ones are still working where will the Young ones get employment?
That’s the reason the french has been demonstrating for the last couple of weeks.
The old adage again,we,re all living too long blah,blah,blah is getting a bit weak,what about the one,s who never reach retirement and have paid in the system all their lives?
Truth is they wan,t you to work all your life,pay all your dues and snuff it soon after retirement,to save them paying too much pension!
The french have the right idea,sick of govt dictatorship,may they keep demonstrating for their rights and conditions at least they have the nerve to do it and keep those in power on their toes.
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Retirement age shuld be linked to life expectancy and wome should retire about 5 years after men not five years before.
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I doubt anyone would want to employ me at what I do now in my late sixties, they will be wanting someone younger with the latest ideas, so I guess I will finish up doing the last few years as a shelf stacker at B&Q if I am lucky
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Work till 70 ? Who says there will be work ?
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So when do we actually have time to enjoy our life, this is a job….any brains on this rock who ever is putting this ideas forward get a life your a joke……
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We won’t stop wasting your Tax quids so you’ll have to work till you croak,, It would be better to sort the anomaly of why women who live longer than men generally can retire earlier.surely if there is to be a difference ,and I don’t think there should be one,it would make more sense for the most infirm to retire first….no no too easy
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Well said Neil 1 let us retire and the young people take over the jobs! Are there any decent jobs left? Does anyone really want to work until the age of 70! but then of course it depends what your job is if it is manual work i can’t imagine anyone being physically able to work till 70. although perhaps i could become a states member that doesn’t appear too hard and most of them appear senile!
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Bella #3
That we are living longer is not in dispute. In 1910 average life expectancy was 50 now it’s closer to 80 due mostly to better nutrition, environment and healthcare. Rates of heart disease, lung cancer and stroke, all of them killers, are in rapid decline over the past 20 years. There’s no evidence to show that this trend has stopped yet. You summarise this as blah blah blah.
But don’t let your beautiful theory be destroyed by ugly facts!
By the way, it’s not ‘them’ that pay the pension it’s ‘us’ as it’s our money…
PS the comma and apostrophe serve different purposes. You’ll find the apostrophe (‘) up one level from the comma and three keys along to the right
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How about first creating equal rights for men and woman? woman live longer so should retire later, say 68 for woman and 65 for men. This is unbelievably sexist!
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Some reminders, finance ruining the island has had a knock on affect on the value of your home. So if you bought your house for £60,000 and it is now worth £500,000. I suggest you support finance.
Secondly Jersey has a very generous social housing program, try living on social housing on an inner city estate and justifying why you don’t work. Jersey has the benefit of no party politics, therefore a chief minister can be candid enough to state, long after he is dead, the retirement age will increase. If by living in a clean, safe island with a good health service means I’m likely to live longer then surely that is a good thing. Would you rather you retire at 60 but its likely that your loved ones were likely to be around for less time? Perhaps you can use your benefit cheques to create a time machine and live in Victorian London, where you wouldn’t have to wait to retire at 70 as you’d be dead by 45.
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11 Ben Du Feu – How about first creating equal rights for men and woman? woman live longer so should retire later, say 68 for woman and 65 for men. This is unbelievably sexist!
Good point, also why are women who choose to have children given maternity leave with their jobs retained for them, sometimes 6 months paid leave. If I made a lifestyle choice that took me out of work for 6 months not only would I not be paid but I’d be looking for a job – sexist.
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Are these states members gone absolutely crazy???
What will the young people do?
Will we have to work till we drop?
Why are they going crazy about setting examples , WHy are we letting these clowns rule our Island
Why dont he get the Chied Minister out of his trone, he has obviously lost the plot.
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Lets take to the streets!… Lets get this usuless politians out of the states!….They are distroying our and our children way of living!…
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!
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perhaps those at the states should all have a go at doing a manual job and see how easy it is. my dads a manual worker and at 50 he’s knackered every night he comes home. i teach (yea yea cushy hollidays etc) but i couldnt imagine being nearly as old as my nan and having to control 25 young people full of energy, its not fair on them.
i think as a society we need to all take it on the chin than were coming out of a recession, there will be cuts, no one likes it and we have to deal with it as best we can. but to do this whilst watching our politicians wasting our hard earned money is being kicked when down.
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Now look – the solution is simplicity itself, the reason that a rise in the retirement age is being mooted is because there won’t be enough money in the coffers in the long term.
If we introduce a system where you have to work for forty-five years to obtain a pension, problem solved, leave school at 16 work the required number of years, retire at sixty-one, go on to further education start work at twenty work till sixty-five, go on to university start work at twenty-five work until seventy.
What could be fairer everyone has to contribute the same working life in years to enjoy the benefits of a pension. The problem today is more and more young people start work later in life any do not contribute to the system which is why the money is running out !!!
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Thats because there are more people in this earth today.
And then again the do-gooders keep telling us kids will die before their parents(more propeganda)
Don,t try to educate me on commas, and keys as it goes in one ear and out the other.I,m a lost cause and always have been.
It is blah,blah,blah. to me.No offence.
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well at least this lot wont have to worry about that?
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well you can always take the last couple of years theyv added on on the sick and go for the disability payment mmmm yumm yumm loads of money
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The problem today is more and more young people start work later in life any do not contribute to the system which is why the money is running out !!!
How very true, Mogit. I don’t think that this has really been picked up on before.
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Have you not seen through their disguise yet? They don’t want people retiring they want them to die in service then no pension is required.
If they are thinking about making people work longer then they should make jobs easier not harder. All this is doing is making people switch off from work.
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Woman should retire at the same age as men, the States must be breaching sex discrimination law.
To think I could be retiring in 7 years time, I find totaly ridiculous. When the pension was first conceived, people use to peg it on average around 5 years after receiving it. Scientists have a bet on regarding the first person in my age group to reach 150. The state will go totally bankrupt at that rate. People are living longer and longer. We really have to face facts and link pensions to the average age of life expectancy, other wise I feel very sorry for our children who will have to carry a massive pension tax burden: in that secenario they would be wise to leave Jersey.
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Mogit 17 –
Now look – the solution is simplicity itself, the reason that a rise in the retirement age is being mooted is because there won’t be enough money in the coffers in the long term.
If we introduce a system where you have to work for forty-five years to obtain a pension, problem solved, leave school at 16 work the required number of years, retire at sixty-one, go on to further education start work at twenty work till sixty-five, go on to university start work at twenty-five work until seventy.
What could be fairer everyone has to contribute the same working life in years to enjoy the benefits of a pension. The problem today is more and more young people start work later in life any do not contribute to the system which is why the money is running out !!!
Mogit ( and Rozel who agrees ) I see a gaping hole in your argument, those who study for longer and start work later generally earn much more than those who did not engage in higher education. For example a doctor who may not start working until he/she is 25 will likely earn four times as much as a manual worker who started work at 16. Therefore they will pay much more tax and social, are you saying that in spite of paying 4 times as much into the system they are not entitled to their pension until several years later, possibly 9 years in this case.
Adrian is not wrong, they don’t want us to receive a pension, they want us to die at work and receive nothing. Many will be forced to sell the homes they’ve worked so hard to buy simply to pay for their retirement as they will not be fit enough to continue working.
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Mulvie, the gaping hole in your argument is the assumption that they will all become high earners!
What about the ones who will never get a job, get a not very well paid job, don’t really want a job or go down the motherhood and claiming line after passing some agreeable years in full time education?
You are right in agreeing with Adrian about death in service. Ideally just after leaving, otherwise there might be an expensive pay out to a survivor under some schemes.
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Mogit# 17
What a great idea.
If someone leaves work at 14 (lets get the compulsory lowest school leaving age down for those that don’t want or need education, and are only disrupting classes anyway)They can work as labourers and as hard work does kill people, retire at 49.
Those that want to take advantage of uni etc will probably be earning enough to retire earlier than 49 and have private pensions. If their career does do a dead dog impression they still have the state pension to fall back on albeit at a later date.
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Typical Jersey Politics. The states members obviously cant think for themselves and have seen the proposal by the French government and thought “That sounds like a good idead, lets raise the retirement age” Pathetic bunch of incompetent amateurs.
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I don’t mind working longer – I’d just like a little more spare time while I’m in work. Who else remembers those optimistic Tomorrow’s World features of the 1970s that predicted that, long before now, increased mechanisation and computers would mean we’d all be working 15 hour weeks with plenty of spare time to pursue interesting hobbies and do beautiful things? How wrong they were!
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LOL at the maths of PJG at #26
14 plus forty-five years makes 59, PJG. It’s fairly basic stuff.
Perhaps it was you that should have stayed on a bit longer at school ayy
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No 10, you must be a joy to work with. Put downs like that no doubt reflect some deep seated inadequacies of your own. Little lesson, no one likes a pedant.
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Rozel 25 –
Mulvie, the gaping hole in your argument is the assumption that they will all become high earners!
What about the ones who will never get a job, get a not very well paid job, don’t really want a job or go down the motherhood and claiming line after passing some agreeable years in full time education?
Nobody goes to university to fail, typical debt upon completion is around £25,000. Sure not everyone who chooses higher education will earn a high salary but most will, why else undertake the debt.Sure a small percentage may fall into your category but you can’t penalise the rest for their actions.
Basically if you don’t provide for yourself there will be nothing worth having from the state, and don’t think it will be any different anywhere else. It is certainly true that many people, especially those in physically demanding jobs will simply be unable to continue until they are 70, B&Q shelf stackers indeed.
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This is a worldwide common problem. With smaller families, there are less children to support a much larger ageing population.
Accordingly, pension in real money terms will reduce.
But that will only affect those who spend their money today, rather than create their own nest egg.
Why dont’ you try and save yourself, and put money aside and build your own pension, rather than rely on the States to do it for you.
It is called some responsibility.
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Claire #30 and Bella #18
Claire you may be right about the inadequacies and perhaps I shouldn’t have been sarcastic but Bella is a regular contributor to this forum and as a matter of courtesy she could try to make her comments easier to read for all.
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#27 Class!
This topic has been discussed in the States assembly on many occasions before now. in fact all western economies with public pension schemes are facing the same crisis of funding just google ‘pension demographic time bomb’, to find out more.
By the way since you have such a strong view on this, how would you fix the pension deficit?
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Mulvie:
‘Nobody goes to university to fail’
If only. And many failures know that the debt will be written off if they stay poor.
What about many of the others who don’t get as far as university and don’t get around to working either?
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Do you go through every post with a fine tooth comb?
I have come across many comments with errors and bad spelling,but it bothers me not,never has as long as it is readable,if not,so what?
I refuse to stoop to your level and start a slagging match with you over a comma in the wrong place.
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OK Bella truce on the apostrophes.
More importantly how would you fix the pension funding crisis if you were in the States?
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well bella (36) i can always understand your posts .
and i am not brain of britan, unlike some , alleged superiours think they are .
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Apart from seeing this coming for a long time,,,i still come HOME once a year , i still have a jersey family,,thank god they all have very good jobs,,,i have moved away to thailand,,,,where a modest pension can buy a decent house and the cost of living is 50 times less than living in jersey…..even if you are not agile,,,,the WHEELCHAIR BRIGADE is very common here,,
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Rozel 35 –
Mulvie:
‘Nobody goes to university to fail’
If only. And many failures know that the debt will be written off if they stay poor.
What about many of the others who don’t get as far as university and don’t get around to working either?
Sure the debt will not have to be paid if the individual never works and earns beyond a certain amount but why would anyone want to stay poor for life. Withdraw lifetime benefit entitlement, especially for those able to work.
As for those who never work, they should not receive benefit – full stop. We have to end the expectation that the state will provide unless the individual is incapable of doing so. Have those on long term benefit assessed and where appropriate withdraw the benefit.
Back on point, you can’t prevent those who have gone to university and earned a qualification that enables them to earn a good living from claiming a pension at the same age as everyone else. If they have paid more into the system they are entitled, it’s unfair to do otherwise..
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The more I read the self-important, self-righteous comments on this forum, the more I hate living in this crappy island.
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Waow, so much needs to be sorted, they need to stop wasting our money.
We need to be fixing problems not creating more. For instance, some people do still get free childcare in the form of the grandparents, if the retirement age continues to go up then that’s going out the window, as a lot of it has already gone out the window. We don’t have enough jobs as it is and as the population continues to increase and technology develops that problem will get worse, add the age of retirement going up and we will have even more unemployed.
All this results in more people relying on the State, hardly ideal is it? The reliance on the States for financial assistance will probably negate the amount saved by raising the retirement age.
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OK truce in place
I find it hard to believe anything govt says these days.
Are they just jumping on bandwagon and copying other countries again?
Remember they ‘found’ money 2 or 3 years back, 3 times I think, they didn’t know they had stashed
somewhere.
Not so long ago they gave us free prescriptions as there was a healthy surplus in funds.
Call me cynical,but some things just don,t seem to add up.
they are only surmising folk will live longer.
Nothing written in stone,anything can change from another war or plagues etc,how can they predict what will happen in 2050?
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Hoisted on his own petard…TLS on his way out to grass,proves the flaw of his own argument….and how pray will we cope with 70 year old scaffolders and plasterers…yes |I know there are exceptions,but 50 years on building sites exacts a brutal toll an the body.
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Does my future lie in a classroom full of teenagers while i am 70…………….God, i hope not!
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So, if this information is reliable then it makes sense to start increasing it moderately today. Maybe in doing so the least fortunate pensioners in years to come will not have to bear the full brunt.
However, unemployment levels ordinarily rely on a steady turnover owing to retirements, if 5 years worth of retirements are taken out of the equation the situation is going to be bleak.
There must be a better way in which the elderly can rest whilst the young take their place, it just makes so much more sense. As matters stand it seems wiser to stay as we are.
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The answer is to start work later, after you have done your travels. Instead of starting work at 18 start at 25.
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Raise it til your 70!!!!! are you mad!!!!
By the time that comes in, the Minsters who have increased the taxes, housing, food costs,not issuing correct permits for foreign works, so they are set up for all and sundry to come in, (so that they don’t snatch local jobs,housing ,school places and grants, from our children.) will be 6 feet under and all this will be left up to the new generation to clear up their mess !
Get your fingers out and look at what is happening due to negligence and ignorance, start getting younger Minsters in Top positions (like 32-50 years of age!!!) so that they can secure our future and our children s. Get the rubbish out of the Island and take back the Pride.
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Tobias#29
Thanks for the correction.
Indeed in this case you are correct, in my haste to hit the return button my proof reading suffered, and what I sent was indeed misleading.
What a relief that there are such pillars as you to correct such horrendously misleading statements so that lesser individuals than you who could not work out a mistake had been made and ruined their lives trying to retire at 49.
Oh what fools they would look queuing up at SS with their hand out 10 years early.
I think it was very selfless of you to point out this misdemeanour (or was it just another selfish creaming the pants moment for you spot someone’s error).
And as I will be retiring soon I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for all the contributions you “will” be making towards that being enjoyable and financially worry free.
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Mogit – you are a fool, clearly.
Women and men should work EQUAL time, no difference.
Or, we reverse the smoking ban and get rid of a few that way.
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#45 Not at all, you’ll be signed off with stress by then, deemed unfit to work and will no doubt be able to claim benefits of some sort. That’s what the States don’t seem to see, how many people are actually going to be working at 70 and how many are just going to be claiming benefits of some sort.
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PJG @ 49
No problem, old buddy, glad to be of assistance.
Just to clarify on your final point though, I intend to be in Canada by early 2012 so I won’t be making much of a contribution to your well-earned retirement. Still, you’d better hurry along before they put it up to 70, else you might end up staying an extra 5 years!
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37. Wilson Riou “By the way since you have such a strong view on this, how would you fix the pension deficit?”
Options are as follows:
1. Keep working people till they drop as seems to be the aim with this policy.
2. Increase the S.S ceiling to at least Guernsey’s level. I’d have it higher myself.
3. Increase S.S. contributions to say 8%.
4. Tax the rich a bit more.
5. With 2-4 and possibly raising the S.S contributions even higher than 8% it could be possible to lower the retirement age to 60.
6. This option could also be considered. Why not have the old age pension means tested? Those earning loads of money do not need this as it is pin money to them. However someone with no work pension would get one.
A combination of 2-6 would have a positive effect on the demographic time bomb, as opposed to the negative impact of working more people to death or an earlier grave than they would have had at present.
I think people should retire as soon as practically possible so as to enjoy some time away from the stressful treadmill known as work. Another very important benefit would be that more youngesters would get jobs as opposed to less with this scheme.
I would also look into lowering the “working week” hours so as to enable more people to be employed. Overtime should be closely monitored and if consistantly high, firms should employ more people to help cut unemployment. With growing automation even more people will end up on the scrap heap.
What is the point in working elderly people (who will have more than likely had enough by 60 let alone 65 or 70 and who may not give of their best if they feel they have been cheated, i.e. false promises) whilst hordes of youngsters are denied jobs by the elderly still being stuck at work. Not a clever way to run a society in my book.
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While there will be quite a few people who will be able to carry on working up to the age of 70, I would guess that the majority of the 65 -70 year olds will be out of the work force.
A lot of people who do hard physical jobs just will not be able to cope with the effort anymore and a lot of office workers will have problems like back complaints that will just render them incapable of sitting in a chair in front of a computer for 8 – 10 hours a day.
There will be less retired but the rolls of the permanent sick will get longer.
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Work till your 70 what a joke. I am 59 and find myself unemployed for the first time in 43 years in the finance industry. I went for an interview the other day and they had not received my personal details from the agency – once they realised my age the interview was immediately stopped as their company policy was compulsory retirement at 60! As we do not have any proper employment law here this would not have happened as it is discrimation.
What about couples with age differences if this proposal goes ahead I will be 82 before my husband and I can enjoy retirement together – bet nobody has thought of this angle either!
Can somebody tell me how retiring at 70 will help me get a job! For now I remain on the scrapheap.
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53 Adrian – a good post with many interesting points, I don’t disagree in principle but would means testing be fair?
If the well off are to be denied a pension that they have paid for whether they need it or not is this fair?. Arguably they have earned more meaning they have paid more into the system, why are they not eligible for a pension that they have paid for.
If this was to be implemented then we would have to come clean and say from the outset and say that social security contributions have a cut off point in terms of benefit, in practice those paying the most would not be entitled to any benefits, wouldn’t that make it just another tax.
In closing I fully agree that we need to review and consider what options are available rather than just accept that we will work til we drop. I agree with raising the ceiling on ss contributions and also think that the rate of taxation could be increased for higher earners. Unfortunately and somewhat incredibly the system does not benefit the majority.
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Tobias#52
Fantastic news!
Less of the “old buddy” please.
Ime a fussy old git who I befriend.
Be careful over there they speak French in some places and get very upset at being told not to use correct English means they are of “inferior intelligence”.
And some of them are big (very big) fiery tempered mean mothers.
Although now I think about it, just you carry on the good work you will get your just rewarded.
The scenery is beautiful, what a shame you can’t paint.
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Both my Mother and maternal Grandmother worked into their 70s. Frankly if I am fit enough, I wouldn’t mind working into my 70s. If you rest you rust!
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Blue Knight#58
S*D that!
I have much more interesting things to do to keep me from rusting when I retire in 18 months at 63 than work (I’ve done 46 years of that already).
One plan is to ride a motor bike from here to Cape Town.(leisurely)
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So as attested here by some brilliant posts and observations,we have yet another ill thought through proposition,by someone who proves the point of why retirement is at the age it is..Nuff said.
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Adrian, let’s keep it simple old chap. You paraphrase an increase in retirement age as “work people till they drop” which is somewhat dramatic – we’re only talking about 70 years old.You could be an American President at that age, old thing. Facts are pretty clear, aren’t they? We have many more people living healthier lives for much longer, haven’t we? Say it out loud Adrian, until you understand this. So, either the diminishing (proportionately) working popluation stump up SIGNIFICANTLY more money to fund very long retirements, or we say that because people are living much longer, so the norm should be for a higher retirement age. There are no biblical references to 65 – it is man-made and needs to be man-changed.
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We live longer so of course retirement age should increase. Those who want to retire earlier should save so that they can.
There are plenty of jobs available. The truth is that there are people who are too lazy to do a decent days work and would rather live off the State, whereas immigrants are prepared to work and so they get the jobs. By increasing benefits we only encourage this group of spongers.
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PJG my old pal
You may not have noticed but the ‘old buddy’ was just a tad sarcastic, I think I may have mentioned in one of my comments to you that I prefer to mix with people of my own intelligence as it makes more interesting conversation.
Whilst I’m sure you’d love to see me get my ‘just rewarded’ (sic) I’m pleased to say that I’m learning French at the moment, my wife speaks it fluently having lived there for some time a few years back (France not Canada, different syntax but generally quite similar) and my daughters are being brought up to be bilingual, and indeed speak it a lot better than I currently do. Still, I go into ‘semi-retirement’ at the end of this year (38 working days to go) and won’t be working again until September 2014 when my little ‘un starts school, so plenty of time to practice the lingo.
Thanks for your concern, PJG. Just to put your mind at rest, I will of course still be perusing these columns after my departure and will continue to make regular thought-provoking and stimulating contributions, so you don’t have to worry about that.
Indeed, lovely scenery, no need to paint as I have a good quality camera, and anyway art is just for people who can’t get proper jobs IMHO.
Nice chatting with you, as ever.
Tobias
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@59
God, I hope you don’t have a laptop!!!
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Semi retirement. Always the bridesmaid never the bride, EH Toby.
Mind your head as go through the departure gates. They are big, but?
Still as long as you are directing your venom at me you are leaving alone someone who cares.
“I prefer to mix with people of my own intelligence” You just can’t help it can you. Have you actually thought about what that statement says about “your intelligence”, oxymoron?
Shame about your age, if you were born in the 20s you would have found plenty of likeminded playmates, Josef Mengele, Otto Adolf Eichmann, etc. Come on Toby tell us all how intelligent those two were, IYHO.
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PJG
Never heard of them, sorry. Long before my time, I was only born in the 1970′s, so you’ll have to enlighten me.
As for my comment that you took offence to (“just can’t help it”) can you not see that I am only rude to you in retaliation for when you are rude to me first? It was a direct response to your ‘fussy who you befriend’ quip ie I’m not of a high enough standard to consider you a ‘buddy’, and there was me trying to be nice to you. I then ridiculed your “just rewarded” not simply because of the typo, which was totally irrelevant, but simply because of it’s nature and the obvious implication that you hope something bad happens to me.
If you can’t take it PJG then don’t dish it out, simples.
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Tobias # 63 is going to Canada but…” will continue to make regular thought-provoking and stimulating contributions, so you don’t have to worry about that.” You have already stimulated some thoughts and one of those was, ‘pedantry’.
PJG # 59. I’d love to retire but with the need to make almony payments, I’ll have to continue working. That said, I still enjoy the challenge of having to fight increasing bureaucracy in the public sector, whilst endeavouring to achieve good results for my clientele. I’ll be glad to keep on working beyond the age of 65, which is just around the corner. By continuing to earn, I’ll still be able have trips abroad, however riding to South Africa on a motor cycle has no appeal at all. Good luck to you however, if you attempt this.
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@65
Thats not an oxymoron!
If he had said, PJG is pretty ugly, or, PJG’s manhood is astronomically small, or even if he had just described you as a butthead, those would be accurate… Examples of an oxymoron I mean of course.
Love & Hugs.
xxx
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Baz # 68. It this the ‘Cat’? You’ve only got a few years until you retire….d.o.b 1948 wan’t it?
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Tobias and Baz
Re PJG’s comment: “if you were born in the 20s you would have found plenty of likeminded playmates”
You both seem to have missed a huge error!
PJG used a conditional clause type 2 (if you were born) with a conditional clause type 3 (you would have found)…what a clanger!
If the condition had been ‘unlikely’ (and not ‘impossible’ – as is quite clear), the sentence would have been acceptable but, unfortunately for PJG it wasn’t…I mean isn’t…oh hell, I’m getting confused…but I’m sure you know what I mean!
As punishment for such a blunder, I think it is only fair that PJG should never be allowed to retire…ever!
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Sorry Sherlock, no cats here and a long way from retirement!
Love & Hugs.
xxx
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Sue Premacy#70
Wow!! I never did ?
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Sue Premacy
Yes indeed, it should have read, “Had you been born in the 1920′s, you would have found…”
Good spot, Sue. I shall bear that in mind for any future pedantic episodes.
Blue Knight – Whilst my comment that you quoted was originally intended to be somewhat jestful, I still like to think that I have contributed a little more than mere pedantry (although it may seem that way recently due to the little skirmishes into which I have been drawn)
Would you not concur?
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“I’m not of a high enough standard to consider you a ‘buddy’”
“the obvious implication that you hope something bad happens to me”
OK, Toby I will lay off you for a while you appear to have the onset of a delusional persecution complex.
Get well soon.
xxx
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Tobias and PJG. Come on folks; we are all entitled to our views and there seems to be little point squabbling over entries on this discussion board. I can’t recall the Dylan Thomas’ words exactly, but it goes something like, “Nobody is totally bad or totally good who live Under Milkwood” Come to think of it Jersey could be a place called ‘LLAREGGUB.’
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That’s fine with me Blue Knight, if thats what you want to do. People should have the choice. If others prefer not to, then they should be able to say enough is enough at 65.
Then they can have some spare time away from the drudgery that masqerades as work for the majority.
There are better things to do with one’s life than work to you die or become incapacitated due to ill health. No one I know would go back to work once they have tasted freedom.
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Adrain # 76. Thankfully there’s not a great deal of drudgery in my job – I’ve been lucky enough to always find work that is interesting. There are many jobs however I wouldn’t like to do.
We are all entitled to our views and I respect your wish to retire at 65 if that’s what you want. Me? I have a positive attitude towards life and I want to keep working for as long possible.
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At what age will Jersey’s ‘perfectly-healthy-benefit-drawing’ individuals retire?
I’m sure you know who I’m talking about, those ‘work-evaders’ who make fraudulent benefit claims and the swindlers who milk the benefits system…will they ever retire?
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You as old as you feel, they say….
You all are wining like you are over 70, no disrespect to the retired meant!
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Start young, pay into a superannuation fund and retire at 50 if you want!
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#58 I would hope to be able to work at that age. My parents are well into their 60s and show no signs of letting up (although both have technically taken retirement from their original careers). Thing is having had a chronic illness since my teens my doctors would already prefer me to be working part-time (which technically just now I am but then I’m a full-time student also).
Needless to say my chronic condition is in no way my fault or even my family’s fault, although it may be the cumulative fault of decisions made by many generations of our society. Unfortunately it’s unlikely I’ll be able to work to the current retirement age never mind longer. Although you can be sure if there is some work I can do in my 70s I will do it.
There are many women in the same position as me suffering from a condition of which a very intelligent politician once said “If this was a condition that also affected men a cure would have been found centuries ago!”
And this condition is on the increase due to society continuing to make bad decisions.
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If one is not financially stranded this is actually not such a bad idea. think about it, if you love you job, its better to stay on it as long as you can instead of retiring and doing nothing. My mom retired at 55 (long story) but she was kind of bored at first till she managed to occupy herself in community works.
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The state retirement age is not about a lifestyle choice. If you want to retire at 50 or 45 or 60 then you need to make your own provision for it. The state pension is to ensure that you do not starve and are not homeless when you are so worn out by life and work that you cannot realistically work any longer. It pays out for a few years (if you are lucky) and you die. It is not meant to support the 20 year holiday of a lifetime. This might not be palatable but it is a fact and you’d all better get used to it.
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79 Pure Jersey – You all are wining like you are over 70, no disrespect to the retired meant!
Wining, they seem sober enough to me, unless of course you meant whining, no disrespect to those who went to school intended.
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Adrian, retire if you wish at 65 but don’t just presume that I will pay for you to do so with so many years of your life left. I’ll chip in when you’re 70.
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#79, Pure Jersey and 84, Pure English.
Look up ‘Wining in Trinidad’ with Google. Great retirement activity for 70 year olds!
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No thats ok Mike I’ll do as the others before me have done. Thats what the next generation does, pay for the previous one. If you ain’t happy have a go at the ones that got it for nothing. I, and others my age have paid for others including the ones who paid nothing in and in exchange we were promised 40-50 would be the future age. I am not greedy so am happy with 65 even though I was promised to go earlier due to automation etc.
No one can say for sure how long anyone will live to. Do I get a rebate from you if I don’t live to 70 then?
If you want to work till 70 thats you perrogative. I believe people should have a choice.
Anyway all this could be avoided if the rich and big business paid a bit more.
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