Budget measures ‘are balanced’
Thursday 25th November 2010, 2:59PM GMT.
Treasury Minister Philip Ozouf
ATTEMPTS to derail key elements of the Budget threaten Jersey’s economic future, the Treasury Minister has warned.
A dozen amendments have now been lodged to Senator Philip Ozouf’s far-reaching plans for massive cuts in public spending and increased taxes.
However, Senator Ozouf is insisting that amendments to his Budget – and especially moves to reduce or delay the GST increase – do not recognise the ‘importance of making the right economic decisions now to balance budgets and deliver economic growth’.
‘Fiscal stability provides the certainty that Islanders and businesses need for future economic success,’ he said. ‘We are seeing the consequences for countries which have not been fiscally responsible and failed to act quickly. The package of measures in the 2011 Budget achieves the right balance.’
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the chnages are a bitter pill but are needed to ensure our long term prosperity.
To just eat into the ‘rainy day fund’ is to spend our saftey net for an unexpected problem…not sensible!
We are lucky that we can make the changes and we must stick to the plan and not delay the inevitable!
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What about the unemployed and poor people Philip….why don’t you do something for them…you have the power… and are being seen to wield it only for the money boys…….
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Here is a man determined to have a political career,and make a name for himself, He is single,well off,and openly Gay….making decisions that dramatically impact ordinary families with kids and bills and all the attendant schooling and raising issues…just how suitable to the task is he and how sympathetic and understanding of the plight of the ordinary punter can he be,show us the empathy Philip….
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I just wonder how it is possible that only 3 years ago Island lived without GST, and budget was balanced.
They introduced GST as 3 per cent of EVERYTHING we buy on the island, which means a lot of extra money for the States to spend (or waste).
What was happening latest short 2 years that Island is supposed to be 100m short ? There must be some other reasons than finance crisis?
Corporate tax change to 0/10 ? I don’t think so/ If it is approved by EU (as senator Ozouf and the rest claims) I would expect it should put more tax burden on companies than former one to just please EU – otherwise what would be the point to introduce it ?
Slawek
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I thought the rainy day fund was to be used only when it’s raining…well take a look out of your window Mr Ozouf, it’s bloody pouring down!
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“….moves to reduce or delay the GST increase – do not recognise the ‘importance of making the right economic decisions now to balance budgets and deliver economic growth’”
So why delay the cuts in subsidies for school fees and push everything else though?
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Ozouf is detached from reality. It’s going to be interesting how he reacts when he gets the bullet. He has finance industry tunnel vision.
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Ozouf is awful in states.
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Two things :
1)First he spun the line that 2011 would see a £50 million deficit. Over time he has changed this into £100 hoping no one will notice
2) First he stated that the deficits are caused by the new zero-ten regime ( true ! ) Ever since James Reed told the media that the deficit was caused by the glocal downturn / recession Ozouf has copied this believing this is a great spin and again that no one wlll notice. Thing is Reed actually believed it !
Ozouf is not fit to being the States. He is full of bull and no substance. Get rid of him in the next election !
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To truthseeker.
What on earth has the man’s sexual orientation to do with with his political decisions?
I’m retired, and suffering financially from the banking nonsense of the last couple of years, but believe that the guy is generally on the right track, even though a rise in GST will cost me money.
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Mark G (6) So why delay the cuts in subsidies for school fees and push everything else though?
There is no answer other than “I PHILIP OZOUF AM DUPLICITOUS!”.
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Mark & Mark G So why delay the cuts in subsidies for school fees and push everything else though?
There is no answer other than “I PHILIP OZOUF AM DUPLICITOUS!”.
Actually, the truth is that Pinocchiozouf and his team rely on middle Jersey to vote for them. He will be sure to punish them after the election, but not before it.
It’s tactical.
Hit the poor and working class now as they will be too busy spending their hard earned in the pub or watching the soaps on the box to go out and vote for the lefties anyway.
Tackle the middle class after the election so they forget who did what later.
Pretty much leave the upper class alone.
We need them, they need us.
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Truthseeker you do a great job of showing your inconsistencies. One minute you ask for major spenidng reductions, so Senator Ozouf does just that, and you don’t welcome it? You don’t congratulate him?
Whatever he does you criticise him, and now you go on and openly question his ability and decision making because he is gay? The most homophobic comment I have ever read.
That is like saying someone can’t understand the plight of Africa because they are white.
It is extremely bigoted and homophobic, and such comments are typical of your one-sided view on life.
Now it is clear where you stand, and what forms the basis of your comments.
Disgusting!
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10 Charles….did you read properly,and do I have to spell it out to you that a well heeled Gay lifestyle is one thing, having understanding of the day to day grind of being a family and the struggle of raising them with Gst on stuff that should not have it like food ,school uniforms,etc no one who has no experience knows just how hard it is…..nothing to do with orientation at all.it’s about suitability to understand and respond and be supportive of the ordinary folk…especially when you promised to be against G.S.T the students in the U.K. are angry because they were pledged to lied to and that always makes people feel betrayed ,not respected and made fools of…anyone who does not understand that simple premise ought not be in charge of anything.
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Phillip Ozouf’s cuts are targeted on front line staff and services.
The bureaucracy and in particular the big chiefs will sail on unaffected while the people who empty the bins, clean the hospital, etc will suffer job losses and reduced resources.
For example look at James Reed’s plan at education.
Cuts in resources for the schools, sport facilities, etc but Lubyanka Central will continue as before.
There will be less people to manage and less services delivered but the managers will remain the same.
I think we should be slimming down the directors, assistant directors, senior managers, managers, line managers, etc, etc.
Does that sound fair to you?
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gst on food is a total disgrace, without good food we become sick, and cost the poor old through the nose taxpayer more.
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Truthseeker – look at your poor attempt to back trck. You blamed his sexual orientation for him not understanding the plight of families. It is irrelevant – but you brought it up because of homophobia. No-one criticises attempts by a stright States member pursuing same-sex marriage, and then talk abotu their sexual orientation.
You can’t back track from a disgusting and bigoted criticism of one of the leading States members, whether you agree with him or not.
No matter how hard you back track, it was disgusting and bigoted then, and remains so.
Homophobia is a sickness!
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15. Pip
Agree, but its these directors, assistant directors, senior managers, managers, line managers who make the choice of who is to be made redundant so it’s ‘Turkeys voting for Christmas’
All the proposals in the CSR reports on the States website are put forward by these people, most of them ‘J’ Cats or Consultants.
The public have no sympathy with the hard working front line staff now but wait until they require a use of a States service and get told ‘sorry you will have to wait as we are short staffed’ or ‘wait 12 months for an operation’
We live in a world where no one really cares unless it happens to them….like the fees debate. And God forbid the States ever try to tax or ban ‘Chelsea Tractors’.
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13.RTS… where is RT been homophobic? Is it not a public and open fact that our Treasury Minister is Gay? RT is clearing stating facts to highlight his comment and opinion.
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13.RTS…..i forgot to add that a few weeks ago you were calling people names and been derogatory to all bloggers and yet here you are again.
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Mark: Get a grip fool.
Truthseeker made the point that because of his sexual orientation, he is unable to make decisions in relaiton to families.
This is what is regarded under UK law as discriminatory. If truthseeker actually provided a name, it woudl be abel to be sued under anti-vilification laws. What I say is neither discriminatory, or a geeneralised statement due to a persons inherent colour/race/sexual orientation.
This thing called truthseeker has used vilification to a ridiculous level.
Mark: If you can’t see this, then you are just as a disgusting a human as it is.
I reiterate: Homophobia is a mental illnes.
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I think Ozouf has what it takes personally. All politicians make comments at the point in time, however events outside the field of control require decisiveness, and he seem to be the person for it.
Southern doesn’t really cut the mustard. He simply follows whatever he thinks is popular, however voters want someone who will make hard decisions.
Whilst I dislike people on these blogs not giving their names, and how I realy believe Real Truthseeker and Truthseeker are one in the same, I would agree with the Real Truthseeker side of that one person brain.
It is quite irresponsible to even mention someone’s sexuality. Why hasn’t a straight persons sexuality been an issue in the past?
It does seem quite disturbing that in this day and age, someone would even raise this as an issue – sort of something an ‘old boys club’ would say.
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Whether someone is gay or not is irrelevant to the issue. Why would someone want to even bring that up?
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Exactly Jack!
Because they are HOMOPHOBIC!
Only someone like Truthseeker would make such a bigoted discriminatory comment!
What started as a laugh, has now shown it’s true colours.
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What’s all this homophobic nonsense about gays not knowing about families?
What’s remarkable about Ozouf – and Frank Walker before him – is that he is willing to work so hard for so little. Unlike the likes of Southern and Syvret, the issue that he may be “in it for the money” doesn’t arise. Even if you dislike his policies, you have to respect the effort he puts in for what he thinks is the long term good of the Island.
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Why single out that the poster mentioned his sexual orientation to make their point rather than the other matters (single & well off) which gives the post a different context?
Because it suits RT’s purpose to scream at someone.
“Truthseeker made the point that because of his sexual orientation, he is unable to make decisions in relaiton to families. .”
Wrong – he made the point that, because he is “1. single 2. well off, and 3. openly gay” he is unable to make decisions in relation to families. That is the posters opinion in the same way as I might, if it were my opinion, say that Rev Bob Key is not able to make a reasonable comment on muslim issues.
“This is what is regarded under UK law as discriminatory”
Wrong again. Obviously not a lawyer.
“What started as a laugh, has now shown it’s true colours.”
I suspect the opposite is true RT. You are showing your true colours.
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What next?! Feather boas for the unemployed, new pink uniforms for the Police…
It is a very sad reflection on you, Truthseeker, that you have the lack of intelligence to think that you comment is either relevant or likely to be well received!
How many other politicians world wide are gay (not sure why you feel the need to use a capital – it’s not his name!)? Furhtermore, do all politicians have to have first hand experience of the situation they are dealing with? Therefore, only a former soldier can be Defence Minister, former Doctor Health Minister..
You’ve embarassed yourself with that comment.
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For the hard of understanding…anyone who thinks the gay mindset and the family man mindset are one and the same….can’t have seen much life.Most Hetero males would be gobsmacked if they knew the level of promiscuity among Gay men…..do we really think a little family struggling to make ends meet discuss the same type of issues….it’s like saying that a shelf filler in a supermarket thinks the same way as Donald Trump.so spare us the Faux righteous indignation..it really doesn’t wash.
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22 Marc jones you say”Why hasn’t a straight persons sexuality been an issue in the past” you really need to ask..?I am beginning to suspect some closet posters emerging.. Straight people are for the most part those who start and raise families.heterosexual people are “Natural” family people are immersed in the day to day trials and tribulations of getting kids fed watered and sorted…an oft thankless and relentless mission..where once made redundant and only then has the mission been a success…but don’t take my word for it ask any hard working and selfless Mum or Dad who have become regulars at the pound shops,who scan the shelves for two for ones or wait to pounce at the end of aisle near sell by date bargains to get their kids a treat.go on broaden your education and ask them.
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truthseeker: gay couples can adopt children. Gay families raise their own families.
Gay individuals are from families.
You are disgusting to have such homophibic comments abotu our Senator, and accrodingly someones sexuality is irrelevant.
You are an embarrasment.
Level of promiscuity amount gay men? Here you go again, labelling allgay men the same.
You opinions are digusting, bigoted, homophobic, uneducaqted, and say more abotu you than anything pathetic comments you have made in the past.
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Frosty Reception: It is important to single out bigoted views.
You say I am wrong abotu what truthseeker said? Well look at it’s follows up comment, where truthseeker says:
“anyone who thinks the gay mindset and the family man mindset are one and the same….can’t have seen much life”
Then goes onto discuss about promiscuity amoungst all gay men.
So now tell me do you agree with these views?
I don’t scream often, but when such comments that so clearly are directed at a particular group in society it is pathetic. These are views not in keeping with normal social behaviour.
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Excuse me Mr or Mrs Truthseeker, how dare you write such vitriole (in terrible spelling and full of grammatical error!).
Let’s look at your argument in all it’s hate against gays.
1. You suggest that a homosexual couple can’t have children. On the contrary, many many gay couples have children, and face the same problems financially and otherwise that heterosexual couples do.
2. Homosexual couples go through a considerably more difficult time to have children than straight people, byt the mere fact they require governments to sanction their ability to bring up children. You never here of child abuse as a result of gay couples – it only happens in straight couples, as a result of unwanted children.
3. The fact you intrduce sexuality to the debate is humanly disgusting, and I suspect the reason you hide your name from view is because you are disgusted by your own views. How do you sleep at night?
4. Politicians are elected to take the role of all of society, and as outlined above, a doctor does not necessarily make a good health minister, and if a straight person who didn’t have a family – how do they know about families and their needs?
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RT, homophobia is not a mental illness so do not make a mockery of mental illnesses by claiming it is! Homophobia literally means ‘fear of homosexuals’, which is silly anyway because who on earth is actually afraid of someone just because they’re gay? Some people dislikes gays, we might not like that but it’s their prerogative, it’s only an issue if they use that dislike to discriminate in some way against gays, otherwise they are perfectly entitled to their opinion.
It’s enough that truthseeker suggested that because someone isn’t a ‘family man’ they cannot know what it’s like to struggle financially. Apart from the fact that the definition of ‘family’ varies widely, I am sick fed up of all the “oh dear, how will families cope?” stuff that gets said. What kind of hideous society only cares about families? It should be “how will those that are already struggling, regardless of their living situation, cope?” not specifically couples or people with children.
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If you believe that Ozouf is out of touch with “ordinary hardworking families” (what a wretched cliche that is) – the reason is simple. It is not because he is gay but because he is rich. The rest is nonsense.
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In the same way the Factory owners of old were in denial about the poverty and working conditions of their people, where profit and lifestyle were what they cared about…and reasoned argument is what these blogs thrive on…what is Homophobia…fear of Gays…silly word,we may not like what they do for religious reasons..or other..what is a Racist…someone who thinks his race is superior…well what about the rich race who think they are superior to the poor race…racists…?
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truthseeker,
it’s not the denial of factory owners or the “racism” or the rich you should worry about. a far more pressing concern is the risk that bigoted and stupid individuals will believe their bigoted and stupid opinions are in any sense valid.
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Truthseeker, you are right when you say “reasoned argument is what these blogs thrive on”.
Reasoned argument is not, however, anything you will ever be accused of…
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@34 truthseeker
“what about the rich who think they are superior to the poor race…racists?”. Fatal flaw in this argument is that being poor is not a race – it is a circumstance. So no, not racist. Prjudice maybe, racism, definitely not.
You really aren’t winning this one. And much as it pains to do so, I have to say I agree with RT that you are just digging deeper and deeper holes.
I would be careful before you attmept to align others to your POV by using “WE may not liek what they do”. I have no problem with what they do. YOU obviously do.
A person’s ability to serve in politics has NOTHING to do with sexuality. It relies upon the ability to work hard, analyse what data you require and in this instance, to empathise with the public. You DO NOT have to have first hand experience to do this, you have to have intelligence and emotion.
Now, back of to your Man Cave to hit your wife with a big stick, grrrrrr
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Hi RT, as a gay person myself I have to say that the comment truthseeker made about the gay mindset is no more than his opinion, and one on which he may have a valid point. It is not discriminatory to hold such opinions, in fact if it leads to debate and thereby more understanding it may be a good thing to voice it.
I have to also agree that there is a lot of promiscuity amongst gay men, particularly on the social scene. I cannot say how it differs from the straight scene but it was not a false statement per se.
Whether truthseekers views were right or wrong is irrelevant. It was his view, to which they are entitled, and it didn’t result in any unfair treatment of me.
Fight your own fight babe, don’t try to hijack mine. x
That said, and for what it’s worth, I agree with Roger Phlegm
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All the usual idiots getting their knickers in a twist..and missing the point as always…. is that politically correct “Knickers”..? Last repeat of the essence of the message..”Anyone who thinks the Gay mindset and the family man mindset are one and the same ,can’t have seen much life” It’s about perspective….and understanding…not about queer bashing or straight versus gays….keep it in perspective and don’t take it personally…unless you must. as it is if defending the gay lifestyle is your goal all you’ve succeeded in here is prolonging the perceived misery and giving more fuel where it was not required.The man does not know what it’s like to raise three kids with a limited fixed income. happy to keep going as long as you are.
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I have been a long watcher of these blogs “long time listener, first time caller” comes to mind. I only wade into the debates when necessary.
I am appalled at these comments by truthseeker, and believe the real reasons for most of its contributions on here are regularly criticising Ozouf – even when he does good work. I now understand why.
Often I have found an incoherent argument, however that is symptomatic of someone with an alterior motive.
Truthseeker – you have in one swoop managed to become the one character whose comments can no longer be trusted. Someone with clearly discriminatory views, being made on this blog have no place in a civilised society. I think it is time you hang up and read a book instead about tolerence.
You need to learn a few things.
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IMO big “O” is doing a good job at a difficult time, so what if he is openly homosexual, he gets more kudos from me for being honest than keeping it in the closet.
I always say don’t knock it till you’ve tried it.
What really pi**e* me off is the fact that homosexuals have high jacked “gay”!
I know some right miserable buggers who are sexually orientated towards their own gender.
How about you CLeVerdick, do you as self appointed spelling monitor have any views on this gross misuse of our language. Or can the meaning of words change at the will of the user? If so it sort of mucks up the theory of English being accurate somewhat.
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Truthseeker,
I can sort of see where you are coming from with your rationale that Ozoufs sexaulity will disallow him from being in touch with the issues which families face etc, although realistically I tihnk it’s more to do with him being wealthy and single rather than being in a ‘traditional’ family environment.
I wouldn’t necessarily equate such a view as being homophobic, and I’m surprised it’s been jumped on as such.
However, please explain the philosophy behind your latter comment “Most Hetero males would be gobsmacked if they knew the level of promiscuity among Gay men” as this really does imply either homophobia, or perhaps even jealousy!
Promiscuity is completely irrelevant, he could be straight and still promiscuous, wouldn’t make an iota of difference to his abilitiy (or inability) as a politician. Not really sure why you’ve brought this up?
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Tobias: Exactly, when you probe deeper, truthseeker is clearly homophobic. Clearly truthseeker will come out and deny this (just as no-one readily admits to being a rascist), but if you also look at truthseekers’ comments that
“we may not like what they do” stinks of discrimination.
Some people might not think these opinions matter, but remember 1936, some didn’t think it mattered then.
Tobias – that fact is truthseeker suggested a homosexual can’t understand family life. Sorry, but homosexual couples have been raising families for years, either from one or the other’s offspring, or from adoption. So it is a bewildering comment – suggesting only one thing. The bigot is in our mist!
I woudl laugh at truthseeker’s backtracking now, if the issue weren’t so serious. Like tracks in the snow, clear for all to see.
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Well Tobias I’ll let you into a little secret whilst a poor student in London I got part time work in a Hotel that had a spa and gymn..the spa was a meeting place for gay boys many of whom might “Interact” with partners into double figures on the same occasion..!, I found them to be unstable to the point of Hysterical many times…so if I am less than impressed with the understanding qualities of the Mandelsonesque… witnessing those behaviours certainly contributed. anyone is free to believe that lifestyle is robust measured and dependable if they wish,I however refer to my original postulation.I am not against gays being allowed to live their sexual orientation,just the suitability to task in the same way as I see very few female scaffolders or plasterers labourers.You may also note that there are no hysterical or vitriolic insults from the Truthseekers above posts…Hmmmn interesting Huh..?
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truthseeker (44): yes, there aren’t many female scaffolders. I am sure we would all be interested in your views on females in general. While you’re at it, why not cover Jews and Muslims. That should keep us entertained/bewildered.
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PJG. It was ‘queer’ in the days when I was seriously studying English. Can’t say that I’m particularly upset by the adoption of ‘gay’. It doesn’t grate on me as much as ‘bean’ usurping the good and time honoured name ‘Crapaud’.
However, as a child born on the Sabbath Day, I’ll settle for being bonny, blithe and good… but as you say, don’t knock it!
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45 Very amusing…though I’m sure the readers might not share your interest in the Truthseeker’s opinions on Jews and Muslims even though they are many, it’s almost Christmas and the Jews killed the man whose birth many of you will celebrate, Muslim extremists flew airliners filled with innocents into the world trade centre.where do you want to go with this…women I love ‘em…can’t live with ‘em or without them..they drive you crazy..but then they say that about us also… Gays raising kids..a whole other ball game,we adopt what we are bought up with generally if your folks are Veggie or Catholic..chances are you’ll accept that as normal until you get to the age of questioning…raising boys in a gay partnerships demonstrates that it is normal for men to have sex with each other…if you think that’s fine be my guest I find it worrying.the Truthseeker may be able to deal with life’s realities and does not wrap it in candyfloss…but he doesn’t threaten western civilisation as we know it….Apathy does.bad things happen when good men do nothing.
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Well, well, well, your comments have drawn me out again truthseeker.
I now feel unwashed to think I used to support your views, however I can’t trust them when I now read the rawness of your purpose in life, and views so generalised.
It is that type of approach to life which causes some people to behave improperly – and I now see through your comments as simply that.
May I suggest you try and become a little more tolerant, rather than an intolerant rude person as you are.
You think RT is bad – he is humourous, you however are downright dangerous!
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Truthseeker, thanks for the reply. As always I enjoy reading your comments, although I don’t entirely agree. My thoughts, for what they’re worth, are outlined below:
Re the gay thang. It may not be natural but then it’s hurting nobody so what two (or more) people get up to behind closed doors is their own business.
I’ve spent many a happy evening in the Cosmopolitan when it was still open and really it’s not a ‘them and us’ situation, they’re just normal everyday people who happen to prefer the company of their own gender. Nothing wrong with that. Now if they had a fondness for cattle, horses, or other four-footed friends…perhaps that would be a very different matter..! but they’re not all as sexually liberated as the ones mentioned in your spa story, and anyway there are plenty of straights that are just as promiscuous.
Anyways, there is a certain train of thought at the moment which feels that the relatively recent explosion in homosexuality could be natures way of controlling the overpopulation.
I do know what you mean re adoption and the way it ‘normalises’ something that is unnatural but is it really a bad thing necessarily? People who adopt are screened rigorously and thus we can be assured that they will make good, loving, caring parents – even if they don’t exactly fit into the ‘traditional’ mould.
As for Jews, well yes they were indeed reponsible for the death of the lord and saviour Jesus H. Christ but then it was 2000 years ago and everyone makes a mistake sometimes. Hindsight being such a wonderful thing, I think perhaps if they could choose again they may choose differently. However, if you had anti-semitic feelings caused by the Palestinian situation, well that would be a lot more understandable.
Muslim extremists; any form of religion taken to extremes is frightening – didn’t the Christians wipe out about half of the world? Many faiths condone a Jihad and claim to have the true god on their side. As a practicing witch myself I know all too well the stories of the barbaric treatment of us ‘heathens’ by the so-called enlightened ones throughout the ages.
Interesting topics Truthseeker, and as always a pleasure discussing with you.
Love & Light
Tobias
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“it’s almost Christmas and the Jews killed the man whose birth many of you will celebrate”
Given that it was 2,000 years ago and if you believe that sort of thing they were kind of coerced into it by God, I don’t really think we can hold the current lot to account, do you?
I mean, I can hardly blame you for your parents mistake in having children, can I?
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Tobias HA HA you have squared the circle nicely..the Truthseeker is not against gays per se,or Jews or Muslims I do however get Murderous with local politicos whose corruption and ineptitude would have me side with Vlad the impaler…the bait has been nicely taken and the flimsy of emotion have gotten themselves well riled up.46 asked for some opinion,the point is there are good guys and bad guys of whatever bent,no pun intended,every group or religion,football team or fans are vulnerable to behave like barbarians at times and get whipped into a frenzy over very little..I suggest we all read “9 meals from anarchy”by Andrew Simms..A superb insight into the very thin veneer we call civilisation..Hunger returns us to the savage..now I know a few of you delicate little dumplings out there do not want to hear that..a cold snap shows how fragile our supply of food and fuel really is…shop windows would be stoved in and the rough people would rule the streets make no mistake. which is one of the reasons the Truthseeker usually makes political comment..we have what claims to be Democracy but is not…recent evidence Constable Jackson inflicting his invasive ideas on everyone..we didn’t get to elect him yet here he is implementing all sorts of draconian policy on the long suffering motorist.we need to have autonomy of thought.I cringe when a little snow comes and all the frightened little rabbits hide indoors warned by incorrect media reports and wait for the” Authorities to tell them what to do next” it is frightening to any free thinker and grows more dangerously and Grotesquely Orwellian by the day which is why I will keep pushing on all levels for Govt reform and a return to real democracy and sanity, cheer up next subject cripples and the blind.
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@ Truthseeker
Only my opnion, but I’ve always found people who refer to themselves in the third person as rather disturbing, and perhaps even a bit unstable.
I am fully aware that I have absolutely zero grounds for that generalisation, but, given a minute I think I can come up with a story as ridiculous and irrelevant as your “big gay spa” anecdote! But, I commend your flawless decision based on a smaple of ONE establishment.
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54 DEEP.Is a pseudonym or nom de plume or even Cadre names like Trotsky IS in third person….so what is your point….wait I get it ..you don’t like you and find yourself a bit unstable…o.k.
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Truthseeker, I really can’t tell if you are just a joke on here for a laugh
Real Truthseeker might not approach the argument particularly eloquently, however it is considerably more sound, not just on this topic, but nearly all.
Of course, I will be labelled Real Truthseeker, so go right ahead, however I think the few people who scream so loud on this site fail to realise Real Truthseeker is actually has quite popular views.
(even if he is a kiwi!)
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I am wondering ( just a bit folks, not a lot ) if Mark Jones and Real Truthseeker are the same person.
Why ?
Like a couple of baying labradoodles they go ( attack is to strong a word ) for the person, therefore showing lack of debating skills caused by lack of objective fact, and shallowness, leading to derogatory and personal attacks, which are completely off subject.
Sad really
Senator Ozouf is a very hard working, intelligent, wealthy guy, who is an excellent speaker and we are told an accountant.
He would have benefited greatly from having to stand on his own two feet running his own personal company without financial support from a wealthy family.
He would then have been able to see both sides of the coin,the red tape,the stress, hard work, loss and if lucky hard earned profit. Mostly he would have gained the experience, to see across the divides of society. To have this perception, takes much work, normally gained by working from the bottom up.
The Treasury Minister should be responsible for all levels of working people in a balanced economy, and not just the academic or well heeled.
The Islanders have witnessed, an actual increase in expensive managers, while other managers hang on to their jobs and only because they are unemployable in the real world or as one cock sure manager told me,” give me ten years wages and my pension intact, then I might think about redundancy ” !
Instead Minister Ozouf gives us cuts to essential front line services, and higher ” people ” taxes, affecting greatly, those that have less money, having a small amount of disposable income. They can certainly not afford private medical treatment, even if in nagging pain, but the waiting lists are getting longer and longer.
This is proof in it’s self, of an unbalanced budget and of his narrow apartheid vision.
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