More price rises on the way
Friday 28th January 2011, 3:00PM GMT.
Paul Garlick, managing director of Jersey Gas.
STRUGGLING Islanders are facing another hike in household bills after two utility firms announced price increase.
Jersey Gas is to increase its charges by seven per cent from next month – just three months after increasing prices by 15 per cent.
Paul Garlick, managing director of Jersey Gas, said that the company had been forced to increase tariffs and gas prices following a rise in worldwide energy costs. Standing charges are to remain unchanged.
Also today, Jersey Water announced that unmetered water charges are to increase by 1.5 per cent from April.
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its all going up but not wages, mind you jersey has priced its self off the face of the earth years ago.
the rising tide of inflation, man the lifeboats , the pumps are broken.
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It just means more people freezing to death.
It now is an ongoing way of making money over here no excuses needed,we just can’t win.
Electric up gas up food up,everything up except wages and pensions,and they want us to tighten our belts!
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If you look at the profits these companies make its all about greed
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Would be interesting to see how these companys would manage in a competative environment like most businesses here.
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That s another brilliant news to start the year…
Make s me feel sick: GST , Gas, water, inflation…
1 in 5 pensioner can’t afford heating as it is now.
Looks like 2 out of 5 next winter…
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Sorry, but have i got this totally wrong ???
Only a few days ago the cost of living in the island was meant to be half that of the UK. Maybe they said all that before such increases were disclosed !!
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There can be no justification for this,…oil has stabilised…this is profiteering again….note the timing…hit them when it’s cold…..same as the Russian ploy…..holding cold people to ransom….a disgrace….and How much did the Gas co,make last year…as it is not listed in it’s own right on the stock market we can not be sure which is where the J.C.R.A. should investigate and report back….British Gas went up just 7% in November ours 15% now another 7% that’s 22% in no time…Come on J.C.R.A. let’s be having you come on here and respond….
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This is not good news because if a gas bill at the moment is £100 pounds it actually costs £103 with GST in total.
New amount will be £107 plus 5% GST bringing the total to £112.35.
” Jersey Life Enhancing ” as long as you are wealthy.
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I have to say I think Jersey Gas are taking the Mick.
Gas prices in Jersey are around three times what they are in the UK. If we assume that overheads and profit account for two thirds of the Jersey price, why does it rise faster than the UK?
I am sure that the cost of bottling and transporting the gas hasn’t nearly doubled in three months. The only explanation is the profit extracted from Jersey consumers has doubled.
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Hang on a wee minute – just let me understand this – a utility which we cant live without – has no competition – is part private and part States owned and Jersey water has to make a profit out of it because its share holders expect a divi –
Will someone please explain how we put up with this —–please.
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@6
The cost of living in the Island is half that of the UK? Where did you hear/read this? More like the cost of living in the UK is half that of living on this Island.
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I think a lot of these prices rises also reflect the global market, not just the state of the island.
An increased population means increased energy use and we are running out of energy sources. Unless we diversify our economies more and become more renewable, prices are just to keep increasing.
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Water price rise is probably justified but the gas rise is interesting.
The global price of natural gas was $152 in December 2010(last month) and in December 2006 it was $242 and it would be useful to know how Jersey Gas has reflected that drop in price over the last five years. (Source: Index Mundi)
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7. don’t get me started on the JCRA they are a waste of space in my opinion.
More and more are becoming sucked into the blackhole known as poverty. At this rate social security will collapse under the weight of welfare payments and sick benefits as more and more become depressed.
The way the island is going is quite shocking. However as per usual those in charge will wave away concerns much like the captain of the Titanic did.
This is but the tip of the ice berg.
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When worldwide energy costs went down did they reduce prices?
#3 & 4, totally agree.
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And the annual profits for both companies were?
The amount of shareholdings owned by the States are?
So you are telling us we are being hit for gst @ 5% soon aswell? This cant be right? Isn’t that a slight conflict of interest? Come on guys this is DISGUSTING!!
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Time for Egyptian style demos folks!!
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Why water increase? For gods sake we are the wettest place on earth!!!chucks it down day after day!! anyone else fed up with this long winter? get in touch as i wish to start a support group “against winter” stroll on global warning wish it would reach our area!!
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When prices soar, and the economy goes down, when there is half a billion in the bank, look too Senators’ Ozouf and Le Sueur, the Laurel and Hardy of economics. Vote their ilk out before our Island resembles Ireland. Please use your vote, register and vote out their allies, their intellectual equivalents, Mc Clean, Gorst…Business men who really think they are economists. . Register and vote them out.
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It wouldn’t stick in the throat so much if they actually added a little more hydrocarbon gas to the 99% air that the pipe to us!
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So you can all compare directly British Gas combined Eelectricity and gas tarriff. I have a fixed price plan for 2011. Cost of gas First 749 kwh @ 7.230p per kwh Second 2408.85 kwh @ 3.632 pence per kwh.
Electric 30.673p per unit peack off peack 11.141 pence per unit
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We had it 2 good 2 long, face it we need to cut back on them 32 inch tvs, ipods iphones i this i that, new car, new dress. Too many people depleting too few resources = price increases.
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I am so glad that I changed my business ovens to run on Electric this has saved me about a £600.00 a month as before I had to have the pilot light on costing extra money and the enviroment. So no extra profits for the Jersey Gas share holders for me!!
We need a cleaner and cheaper form of energy, I know why not run Jersey Gas on the methane from the Jersey cows and also the hot air from all the States members, we could save a fortune and it is all free!!!!
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I reckon time to put the finger to green issues and carbon footprints , go to your local park plenty of trees there to cut down and keep warm and cook on the old fashioned way ,
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Forgot to mention , jersey gas has always sold itself on being green and clean , in truth the only green they are interested in is the green in pound notes. As for price rises in uk alone there is over 50 years supply of LPG just sitting there that they dont know what to do with as most of uk is on natural gas, it has not cost them anymore to produce and is the waste or byproduct of producing petrol so basicly it costs nothing as they have already made their money on the petrol,
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James (comment 9) I think Jersy Gas have ALWAYS been taking the mick!Many years ago we rented a house which had gas central heating in Jersey- “what a luxury” we thought and then we got our first bill that proved it certainly was a luxury!!We had the gas disconnected so that we would never,however cold it got,be tempted to use it again.We were therefore concerned when we moved to the UK and found our house was gas centrally heated and yet the cost is far more reasonable and well within what we are prepared to pay for a warm and comfortable home.
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What is the point of having a ‘cost of living’ index when all and sundry just up their charges on a whim? Think of a number, double it and that will do for now!
The elderly can barely afford to feed themselves already and now we all have to endure even more increases on utilities.
Will this ever end?
When will those ‘born with a silver spoon’ politicians start answering the questions we have been asking for years – where is all our money going? what has happened to the ‘rainy day’ fund and why is it that the working population in Jersey are now falling (or have fallen) into debt.
I would like to see the past 5 years income and expenditure statements from Treasury Department. No, I demand I see those figures. We all have that right so why are they not forthcoming?
Are these politicians actually trying to start a revolution?
They sure as hell imply that to be the case!
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I always had in mind that GARLIC and VAMPIRES didn’t mix very well together, but obviously, I was wrong….
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This is a message for Alan Breckon
After your successful fight to get the JEC tp reduce its’ tariff hike last year – what are you now going to do, on behalf of your electorate,
about Jersey Gas’s extortionate tariff increase? Up 22% in 4 months) – Surely the JCRA should be looking into this as well.
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moan, moan, moan, moan, moan. LET’S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!
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These politicos are really slow…what a gift..I would be on it in a heartbeat…anyone in the states doing something about this would have many of their sins and shortcomings quickly forgotten if they bought Jersey Gas to heel on this …pure extortion…..start calling up about disconnections folks hit THEM where it hurts for a change
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I really wish I did not just pay £1,700 for a new gas bolier!! now they are increasing the gas bill, plus GST on top!! can’t believe they can do this 22% in 4 months, lets get more Gas companies over here and let them compete!! just like the telecoms, so much more choice now and better value.. come on JCRA get this sorted!! this is not on..
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32 Jersey Girl – I really wish I did not just pay £1,700 for a new gas bolier!! now they are increasing the gas bill, plus GST on top!! can’t believe they can do this 22% in 4 months, lets get more Gas companies over here and let them compete!! just like the telecoms, so much more choice now and better value.. come on JCRA get this sorted!! this is not on..
Yep I too just had a new gas boiler fitted, 22% more efficient they said, is it a coincidence that gas prices have gone up 22% in the last 3 months?
This needs an independant body to monitor and if deemed innapropriate disallow price rises. I accept that there isn’t room for 2 suppliers but lets have some regulation, as you say they can charge what they want as can the JEC meantime we have pay freezes, GST increases and high unemployment.
Stop this wanton profiteering NOW.
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The economic Minister is out to lunch on this one,he stands by and allows the working people of this island to get mangled by greedy so and so’s.this time from Australia…this used to be a good old fashioned and honorable Jersey company which is now a facsimile and has no bearing on the original Jersey gas at all, clanger Maclean and his ilk..never have to worry about menial issues like household bills…and that is where the disconnect between Govt and the electorate happens…the working people have become disenchanted about politicians and have failed to vote, and disavowed in a deliberate ploy by the power base,more fool the workers for falling into the apathy trap, come on guys get registered to vote and turn out in great numbers and get your own kind in so that you may at last be truly represented..otherwise the gin and tonic set will continue to shaft and dismiss you.
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truthseeker – what are you on about getting ‘mangled’ from Australia? The only problem was when it was run as a Jersey company. It wasn’t sustainable, and required the intellect and nouse from people with a good business skil, usualy from New Zealand, but also Australia – the New World!
Your rants dont’ disappoint, yoru argument disjointed, without a purpose, and just words thrown together with a coherent meaning.
Perhaps you might want to have another go at it, and try and make sense.
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Jersey Gas should be forced to allow competition from anther gas suppler as with Jersey phone companies a new company should be allowed to use the existing infrastructure there increases of 22% in 4 months is pure greed I have now switched off my Gas Central Heating and will seek to change to oil as soon as I can afford it the JCRA should be looking into this as well but they seem to be a complete waste of time just as well get rid of the JCRA as they do very little
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No 6 – I think you’ll find the rate of inflation was roughly half that of the UK recently. Nothing to do with the actual cost of living, just means it wasn’t going up as quickly here as it was in the UK.
No 27 – the cost of living index is a measure of the changes in prices, the price changes don’t follow the index, they follow the cost of the underlying raw materials/goods and profit expectations of the businesses. Admitedly, part of the input to setting prices by business is salaries, increases on which are negotiated with reference to things like the increase in the RPI or CPI so it is bit of a vicious circle.
As to the story subject matter, if the average unit cost of gas has gone up then fair enough, those price increases should be passed on, but, things should also work the other way as well and I have a strong feeling that it will not be the case…
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@18
You do realise don’t you that global warming doesn’t actually mean things are going to get warmer for us? In short- the world warms up, the ice caps melt, the extra fresh water in our oceans affects the gulf stream, you know, that really important ocean current that means even though we are on the same latitude as various snow covered countries we enjoy mild weather? Yeah, once that becomes affected things are going to get real chilly around here and then heating costs will increase even more. And also, if you don’t like the cost of water, well you’ve already answered your own question haven’t you? Collect rain water. It’s free. It’s not poison. It’s not that hard.
People who use up earths resources and then whine about how expensive they are just tick me off.
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more rain, Hawaii and Milford Sound get much more rain than good old Jersey. Fancy 6-12 metres a year?
The Atlantic Conveyor will shut down as global temperatures rise on average, meaning New York type winters for us. You think its cold now? Get ready for much worse.
RT you comments remind me of the sort one hears in a school yard of 5 year olds.
What do you mean the New World? Aborigonals have been around for 40-60,000 years in Australia. Not exactly new is it?
Everything is going up and yet we only have 2% inflation. How did they work that one out? No doubt another 66% rise in GST will have no effect on prices according to the stats department.
Water rates will keep rising. Once the mains water supply is all metered then it will be much easier to increase profits when using units of water. This is what the states want. It will also enable them to bring in a toilet tax as they will be able to assess “outgoings” accurately. Get ready for more stealth taxes.
Make no mistake they would charge for the air we breathe if they could get away with it.
As per gas if there was a road link to France it could be piped in making it much more affordable. It would also bring down prices in Jersey due to proper competition. Travel and import/export would be a fraction of what they are now. Can’t have that can we?
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I thought RT was praising truthseeker for once – ‘just words thrown together with a coherent meaning’ – surely the basis for any sound argument?
Made me laugh again, such reasoned, precise statements.
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Adrian – your facts are the most ridiculous I have ever heard, and seeing some of the posters on here, I have read some truly bizarre one’s, but yours takes the cake.
Aboriginals (spelling please) settled Australia about 70k years before European settlement. The concept of the ‘New World’, is an international description to contrast that of ‘Old World’, being Europe. You know that old musty smell from your grandparents place? Well, something like that for the ‘Old World’.
Secondly, the standard base supports the RPI at 2%.
Finally, changing temps are irrelevant, these climatic changes are mirroring historical temp changes.
Global warming is a farce to sell Al Gore’s books.
It has been shown to be irrelevant.
Will you ever get facts before you spout off? I doubt it.
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“Perhaps you might want to have another go at it, and try and make sense.”
Doctor heal thyself!
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This highlights the fact that the inflation rate figures given to us are a complete load of b******s.
The people who compile these false figures should be taken to task and made to explain in minute detail how they are reached, when the obvious premeditated deception is proved they should then be prosecuted and sacked.
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41: You say: Global warming is a farce to sell Al Gore’s books.
I think people laugh at Galileo when he said that the earth was round and not flat…
Can you prove that we are not going into Ice age after the global warming…
By than Jersey will be under water anyway, and Jersey Gas would be taking over the world after making millions on our back with the help of States as they were to busy securing their senator seats, their precious free parking spaces, and obviously hours on e-bay trying to sell bits of a steam clock to make up for all the money which evaporated from the treasure chest
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“Finally, changing temps are irrelevant, these climatic changes are mirroring historical temp changes.
Global warming is a farce to sell Al Gore’s books.”
There will undoubtedly be an effect from putting billions of tons of carbon dioxide in to the atmosphere.
How severe it will be and its overall impact on life of earth remains to be seen.
We have already put in enough to have some effect and we adding to it every year.
The only problem with this particular experiment on the earth’s atmosphere is that it will take a a period of decades before the results will emerge and by then it will be far too late.
For the first time in history we are dicing with the lives of the great grandchildren, I hope they wil be feeling lucky!
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Pip, you remind me of the pastor’s wife in The Simpsons “Think about the children!!!” she screams…
Clealry you don’t understand the global warming debate and facts aroudn atmospheric carbon.
Gore in “An Inconvenient Truth” asserts that carbon levels in the atmosphere are the highest they have ever been This is not entirely true, the carbon in the atmosphere was considerably greater during the industrial revolution that it is a present. Interesting, the levels of atmospheric carbon from ice tests are considerably great pre-human existence.
Hmmm.. so who was driving all those cars then?
Again I make my point, you take a very one-sided view on this, rather than weighing up facts. I appreciate with the small minded that it is too much to research both sides of the debate to come to a reasoned conclusion, but please try!
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Lol, 38 onwards (apart from 41), a good suggestion would be to stop believing everything that has been spoon-fed to everyone over the last 20 years regarding “AGW”, and look around a bit at other reasons why climate changes. Try PDO for a starter (& with this the 76-78 Pacific climate shift when PDO changed from cold to warm), then try ENSO (and the fact that Jan global temps are now BELOW the long term average & have fallen by over .6 C since Aug. Oh, & cross your fingers that the relationship between solar cycles & climate (ie Maunder / Dalton / spoorer minimums) is purely coincidence….actually cross your fingers that there IS a relationship – that will be the last nail in the CAGW coffin !!
CO2 & AGW, piffle !!!!!!!
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39 Adrian – another good post from you, you know when you’re not being an idealist you make a great deal of sense.
Good point that GST has in fact increased by 66% not 2% as the liars in power would have us believe.
Real Truthseeker, you are a wind up merchant aren’t you, it’s just if you are serious you should seek specialist help. Global warming a myth? sure and men descended from aliens, the sun goes around the earth and the moon is made of cream cheese – do us all a favour and take your head for a sh**
Re water metering, there is no justification for this other than blatent profiteering, tourism is down the toilet, we have less people using water peak season and more water available ( Queens Valley )
This is being introduced gradually island wide, my friend has recently been metered and her bills have increased by 600%. And don’t think the price per unit will remain static, once we are all on the meter they have us by the ba**s, just watch it increase the same as electricity & gas.
We need an independant regulator with teeth to stop these thieves.
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Mulvie – you are clearly reading outdated ‘thoughts’. Gore is not a scientist, he has merely offered an opinion (liek the Earth is flat). Scientists have proven this now to be an incorrect proposition.
Global warming, and it’s impacts on ice caps brought about by human existence is what is the myth – you really need to understand this better, or perhaps you should go back to farming your Royals now Crapaud… oh by cry hey!
Clearly you must have gone to States funded education.
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@47
My knowledge was not “spoon fed” to me. I studied geology at university and have a vested interest in climate change and all of earths processes. I am well aware that we are currently in the middle of an ice age. I am well aware that we are in a warm period. I know that the earth has been both colder and hotter in the past than it is today.
You are quite right, there are many reasons for climate change, a whole network of complex systems that affect our weather, climate and eco-systems. Climate change happens. Some scientists argue climate change is nothing to worry about. Some scientists argue it is a serious issue and needs to be addressed. I have done years of research in which both sides of the arguement were studied thouroughly.
I firmly support the arguement that human activity IS speeding up the rate of climate change, and that rapid climate change is going to have a serious negative impact. Being in the middle of an ice age of course the world was going to experince cooling again at some point in the future, but it’s happening too fast. In ~3.5 years when the damage done to the ice caps becomes irreversable maybe people will start paying attention and doing something….but I doubt it.
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RT the facts as you so call them are that you know a lot about nothing. Just look at your shopping bill every week. At least one item goes up from one week to the next.
Prices are going through the roof. The 66% rise in GST from the middle part of this year will cause yet more inflation on top of the already excessive cost of living.
As per the state of the planet it is irrefutable that it is being ecologically degraded day by day. The Amazon is in grave danger of turning into a desert. Should this happen then massive changes will occur in weather patterns around the globe.
There are up to 5,000 different identifable fires in the Amazon at the moment. Beef ranches are replacing premium life giving rain forests. Greed yet again is taking a massive toll on the environment.
As per man’s effect on the environment it is there and it is affecting weather patterns. To what degree is unknown but since eco-systems tend to be perfectly balanced one small change can have a dramatic effect on things.
Just look at what is happening with bees at the present moment. Modern pesticides are thought to be the most likely cause. Should these disappear food production will fall by at least 30%. With a rising population this will turn out to be catastrophic.
Also every year more and more agricultural land is being lost due to rising sea levels and other factors. Look to Lousiana and Bangladesh to see active examples of this. Nearer to home the east coast of England.
The seas are becoming more acidic due to higher levels of carbon dioxide as well as man using them as toxic waste dumps, plus over fishing.
Nuclear research and tests are believed to have increased the level of volcanic erruptions over the last 60 years. I believe this to be beyond doubt. Volcanic erruptions add vast amounts of green houses to the atmosphere. This will vastly magnify the effects of global warming. All we need is a massive one in Yellowstone for example and it will be goodbye to civilisation as we know it.
By all means carry on in your personal bubble but this will be no protection from reality.
MLP water metering is a way to raise the price of water by using the ecological angle as a cover. It will also have the added benefit for the state and enable them to charge for the use of your toilet via a sewage tax. What goes in comes out so your water meter is your sewage spy. People need to wake up to what is going in in Jersey. Dummies are easy to convince by the powers that be.
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Mulvie Le Phew #48
You do post a lot of well spelt rubbish.
GST will rise “to” 5%, who’s lying?
Imagine the Jersey alcohol problem if the breweries sold their product the same way the waterworks sell unmetered water.
Of course meters will reduce usage and they will also give a fixed amount to base a fair price on.
Your
“39 Adrian – another good post from you, you know when you’re not being an idealist you make a great deal of sense”
If I was Adrian I would be getting worried if you were the type of support my posts were getting. Even
“If there was a road link to France”
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I have recently had problems with Jersey Gas after having a Gas Central Heated house and a monthly gas bill in excess of £260.00 and annoyingly the house was still always cold! Their explanation… it’s an expensive house to heat! Really.. you think?
I have since moved, due to not being able to afford to heat the house, and I hope I never have to use their services again!
Glad I got out of there before this latest 7% increase!
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I suggest that anyone who doubts the reality of climate change caused by human activities reads the following article and the sources quoted;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
The reality is that we have changed the climate and even if we stopped emitting carbon dioxide, etc tomorrow it would continue to change for decades.
The earth has undergone tremendous variations over geological from a vast tropic that covered the globe to an almost ice covered sphere akin to Titan with life barely clinging on.
There have been tremendous mass extinctions that have sent life on earth careering off on a fresh course.
It will be a tremendous irony if the most successful species ever to live on the planet is also responsible for it’s own demise.
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Mulvie – no I am not a wind up merchant, just annoyed at having to deal with the uneducated ill-informed swines like yourself.
All you lot whinge abotu spending money, but want to have commission after commission, and regulator after regulator.
The end of the day, the States are an elected representation to serve a term. They shoudl do this, and they do to as best they can. Of course there are always fringe ratbags but all in all the States has done a great job in the circumstances.
Thankfully they don’t listen to the likes of you otherwise the coffers would be bare!
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52 PJG – You do post a lot of well spelt rubbish.
GST will rise “to” 5%, who’s lying?
The government who repeatedly claim a 2% increase.
Thanks for the compliment re spelling – I was taught at my grammar’s knee.
54 Real truthseeker – All you lot whinge abotu spending money, but want to have commission after commission, and regulator after regulator
Grammatical errors notwsithstanding, I want a regulatory body in place to control unchecked spiraling costs, particularly on utilities which we have no choice but to use. I mean water for God’s sake, it falls out of the sky. Beyond the cost of treatment and staff wages why should this be so expensive, it doesn’t require complex technology to make it drinkable and pipe to our homes.
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Pip – the sources have already been disproved. BUT too much for you to expect a rational balanced approach to understand it. I once thought human existence influenced, but like many things, science has disproven this. Though some people out there say ‘I believe human existence to interfere with climate change’, but that is liek sayign God exists – it is simply faith, NOT fact.
Adrian – you were nto the brightest were you. 66% increase, ridiculous figure. The actual increase what I am concerned abotu is on the bill. Wage and salary increase (see teachers on this one if you want to know if anyone has had one), clearly offset this easily. My wage rise in the past twelve months was 4.8%, which easily covers for the rise in GST and inflation.
So get a grip, I do look at the receipts, and they are fine.
If you haven’t had a salary increase, then work harder son.
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Adrian – with my salary increase and bonuses, my receipts still look good.
Teachers have had wage rises, so has finance industry, and many others. If you haven’t, perhaps you should work harder son.
Pip: You haven’t taken a balanced view liek I do.
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RT anyone with a basis grasp of maths would know that raising something from 3% to 5% means that this rise equates to 66%. This just shows your true colours i.e. poorly educated. I guess you work in finance from your replies. You are one of those that make ground squirrels look good, no wonder NZ got rid of you.
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@50, nice to get a response & nice that someone has studied this & formed their own opinion, rather than reading whats in the media & just believe what I believe is pure spin on the whole GW debate. Seems like not that many years ago, there was all the hysteria about the “impending ice age” & the planet returning to LIA conditions by the millenium, then of course 10 years + after this, there has been all the GW hysteria. No doubt, with a possible solar grand minimum possibly on the horizon, in 10 years + it may well be the old ice age hysteria again
BTW, the ice-caps seem to be doing fine ATM, Antartica winter ice has increased, especially the last few years, & although the Arctic reached its low point in 2007 & “Al-baby” sceamed about a soon to be ice-free arctic, looking at PIPs2 data, thickness has grown nicely since then (even though with a more frequent -AO, area hasn’t). Climate? Love it, the most fascinating thing there is lol !
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Mulvie: We jsut went onto metered water, and about time. Too many people waste water and as a result charging for water (capital cost associated with catchments, pipes, treatment, as well as ensure not wasted) is based on a user-pays system.
The more user – pays systems we have the better.
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I did something. I took the ferry.
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