Major changes in Island Plan
Friday 25th March 2011, 3:00PM GMT.
Environment and Planning Minister Freddie Cohen
PLANS to build 4,000 new homes, create a national park and to give nearly 600 vergées of land better protection against development will be presented to the States next week.
The Environment Minister is to lodge the draft copy of the Island Plan – a ten-year framework and ‘rule book’ that will be used to decide Planning applications – with the States Assembly.
Senator Freddie Cohen said that it was a ‘ground-breaking’ plan, which would ‘provide greater protection of the countryside’ and ‘regenerate the built-up area with the provision of high quality homes’.
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What??..4000 new homes…hasn’t Freddie noticed all the houses for sale signs everywhere??…
This stinks!!…………
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4000 new homes, bring on the “NIMBY’s” and the “they should cost 47 pence each and only be available to locals” brigade.
Bring it on, work for the Polish (I mean building trade)maybe Hanning can squeeze them into his field between the coffin dodgers club and the hairdressers.
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He he he he he – you’d better fire up the cement mixers Freddie there’s going to be a lot of land reclamation !!!
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4000 new homes, start by filling the empty ones first- i wonder if Dandara will be building them
the only protection 600 vergées and the country side needs is from you
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I bet Dandara are rubbing their hands with glee now that there are going to be 4000 new homes made. I wonder who will get the go-ahead from Cohen the Barbarian to build these houses then???
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No further land should be rezoned so as to built on. No discussion, no negotiation. Let us try and keep something of a green island for future generations.
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This will please Dandara then.I’m Really Amazed that, despite the Irish building industry having been decimated by the crisis in that country,Dandara can still finance so many multi-million pound projects here, so who is providing the money? Oh,by the way, who is going to live in these 4000 homes? Assuming a minimum of 3 people per household, that makes an increase of 12000 in the population.We already have the highest unemployment on record so what will all these extra people do? FC shows yet again that he is totally lacking in any understanding of the real world.
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Freddie is a one man wrecking ball.
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So, are we then to assume that this has been okayed by Freddie ??
Because if it isn’t, woe betide !!!
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lets hope the are AFFORDABLE homes and not undersized rabbit hutches
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IT’S AMAZING THAT THESE GREAT WORDS ARE COMING FROM THE MAN WHO DESTROYED PORTLET BAY. YOU HAVE DESTROYED THE PLACE I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO ENJOY DURING MY CHILDHOOD AND YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING – I DON’T THINK SO.
Senator Freddie Cohen said that it was a ‘ground-breaking’ plan, which would ‘provide greater protection of the countryside’WHAT ABOUT WHAT YOU DID TO PORTLET!!!!!!!!! and ‘regenerate the built-up area with the provision of high quality homes’.
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Before pouring yet more concrete over this tiny island, no more houses should be built until the current crop of for sales are sold.
There is no shortgage of properties for sale, people are not able to afford them.
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With the prospect of stagflation and maybe the end of growth or even decline in the finance industry looming this looks like a large piece of pie in the sky.
Freddie Cohen was elected to the States and with no experience at all given one of the major portfolios. The disasters that he has inflicted on the island will be with us for decades.
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Freddie… you know the 600 vergees of land given better protection from being developed ????… Is this land by any chance all around your own house ? That would be what we would expect from our representatives.. 2 wins in 1.. 600 vergees protected… your garden secured..
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Were in a recession and its going to get a hell of a lot worse judging by europe, asia America and now the middle east! Who will buy these 4000 + 200 homes already on the market? Are these 4000 for more states tennants or for the public, Remember In jersey High quality means very expensive, so not first time buyers either. What is this man playing at? i know a 5 year old with more economic understanding than the vast majority of the states members, especially Mr Cohen who keeps going down in my estimations.
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How big does he think the Island is?
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Ah,yes. The NATIONAL Park, no doubt a sister to the NATIONAL gallery. I thought to have a National anything you had to be an independent nation.
Maybe that is their true masterplan?
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4000 new homes and unemployemnt rising, and a possible loss of an industry employing 1000 people, shouldn’t we be knocking down houses?
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No NO NO!! This is totally ludicrous and more money for Dandara. FC is a loose canon!
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Time to get rid of this man !!!
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4000 more one bedroom ‘apaaaartments’? Oh and the new national park is the one currently being planted on the former Gas Place car park!!
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This is typical short termism, aiming to stimulate the building industry and provide employment for a few. However, with easily available fossil fuels at or even past their peak (notice the scrambling going on in the Middle East), an unsustainable world overpopulation, and climate/environmental issues, FC and co are just papering over the cracks. Economic growth on the scale of the last 20 years will NEVER happen again. Governments around the world are cracking down on lost (unfairly, let’s be honest) tax revenue, so Jersey’s main industry is doomed. What will become of these homes once the fickle rich have departed, which is inevitable?
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Make no mistake peeps the most dangerous thing here is the National Park notion..Translates as we will build on your precious five mile road….why do you think they’ve been so keen to run mains in down there…pretending to protect yet there will be lines like “Some careful development”Be scared .be very scared people or call those people up and tell them in no uncertain terms that we are going to fight them…for me physically if I must.
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No one believes you any more Freddie..it’s time to go…you have to be credible to take the people with you and you have lost all trust and are seen with deep suspicion, people say how would any proper person have allowed Portelet etc.what would have been the motive how could anyone who claims to be an archtectural afficionado have sanctioned such environmental barbarism. what would have inspired such a person to endorse a Benidorm lookalike in such a pretty bay…No mate you are gonna have to go because ..we see you.don’t be like a no hope boxer and hang on pitifully till humiliated and embarrasing…go now.save a little dignity.
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How does he know we need 4000 houses as we haven’t even had the census yet to plan for these things.Just another excuse to bail out Dandara.
And whats all this ‘protecting the counryside’.Sounds more like cram everyone in boxes in St.Helier so the millionaires can have nice views.I have lived in St.Brelade all my life,what are the plans for affordable homes there.The Island Plan seems to be rural and coastal areas for the rich and everyone else can look forward to raising families in Dandara boxes in St.Helier.What a bleak future
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Cohen has lost the plot completely this time,or is this an early April fool jest?
Or is he trying to turn this place into another Hong Kong?
With the high unemployment and empty houses,this has to be a joke.
In case you haven’t noticed Freddie,most of us are sick of your pie-in the-sky ambitions and you should get out while the going is good.
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To all of you who logically think why build more when plenty are empty…please smell the coffee..The Govt will not curb spending,and have a growth policy…and so keep building.. then whammo…the quallies will be dropped.and mass influx encouraged,have you already noticed all these black and mixed races appearing,Govt. can not manage ,have allowed the civil service to become it’s own planet,where else do people who work for a living decide how much they are going to be payed then allow it…it’s nuts people we are being bled left right and centre this was a primarily caucasian population,and I for one do not want to end up with it being a sleazy multicultural cock up like parts of the U.K and before you hammer out racist on your keyboard..a blackman once saved my life, it does not mean I want all his cousins coming here,it is just common sense.I have not even the slightest interest in what any one calls me..I do however undertake not to go to Israel, Ireland or another country and expect a welcome,As Muhammed Ali said Bluebirds for Bluebirds….it is not so much about race and culture as of overcrowding which causes the quality of life to fly down the Sh**ter..notice how already the quality here is being systematically diluted…if you care about where you live make them feelings known to the carpetbaggers like Freddie and dandara and all your political representatives.
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Dgieu!
Yes, I support the proposal to create a national park, though surely all our wild zones are the equivalent already? These wild zones need maintenance!
I agree with the movement to protect land better too, look at la Grande Route de la Cote and the surrounding aborder now compared to 20 years ago… and by making the road 30mph is basically approving the district as a residential area!
What happened to the 100,000 person cap too? My heart is literally wrenched by the direction the government insists on going in… Jersey NEEDS to maintain its local aspect, for tourisms sake, for the sake of the economy (as a degree of self-sufficiency/micro-community is essential for the long term survival of a nation), and for the sake of the people and their identity…
WHY DONT THEY HEAR?!?
WHY DO THE PEOPLE (those who speak) HAVE NO VOICE?!?
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Has he made a deal in India to bring thousands of cheap workers to Jersey ? Quallies only exist on paper now. Plenty of unqualified people live in A-H housing as buy to let landlords think it’s worth the risk of being caught and if they are unlucky they pay the fine with the collected rent. Terry Le Main, when housing Minister, let it slip in an talback interview that the department only had one “snooper” to deal with fraud or illegal occupancy
A Free for all !
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Whatever comes of this, I would like to believe I tried to fight so please consider signing this online petition opposing the building of 4000 houses!!!
There is great power in technology, If everyone links their contacts to the petition, perhaps something will become of it!
http://www.petitiononline.com/jsy4life/petition.html
Thanks,
becki
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#27 Truthseeker: ‘…have you already noticed all these black and mixed races appearing’
Yippee! I’m fed up with dating the ubiquitous Jersey blondes.
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How many are checking that the rent is being declared and tax collected on it?
I bet that this represents a bigger loss to the island than benefit fraud but chasing it would result in an even more frozen housing market so they are pretending the fraud does not exist until the good times come round again!
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By the time they have squeezed in 4000 (!) new homes and a ‘national park’ (you couldn’t make this up), the 600 vergees will be ‘the countryside’.
Mind you, it seems the states have got so much of our money to squander, perhaps they were running out of ideas.
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A National Park??
Didn’t they have enough trouble planning a town park?
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Number 19.
Dot, having worked with Bill for a while and knowing you also, are you really surprised by the Jersey system of “I’m in charge so I’ll get what I want”.
We are all aware that FC is a loose cannon but if Tez and Stu like him what chance is there for Joe Public ?
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Oh dear,I knew \i’d get the initial wrong one day.
Hey Ho, just like FC getting things wrong.
At least I acknowledge my mistakes.
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27 Truthseeker. Well old chap! Could’nt have put it better myself.
The silent war has been running for years.
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I really hope that Cohen reads these comments. Islanders detest what you have done to this island, take a walk down the beach at Portlet, turn around and you’ll see just one example of how you have ruined this beautiful island. You can not destroy the countryside like you have then make a token ‘green’ gesture and expect people to approve of what you have done, wake up.
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4000 homes means more green field loss, more burdens on taxpayers in substantial social infrastructure costs and more profit for developers.It’s time that those children in the States stopped squabbling and addressed the issues of this island on a united front.
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No 27 – brilliant letter ! I too have noticed an increase in black and mixed races…so now welcome all the aunts, uncles and friends. Yu people never learn, this is how it starts with them. Say goodbye to your island.
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The National park is only a new way of reducing the amount of protected land.
They will say no building in the National Park, at all, that really means, we will consider everywhere else.
I propose creating an area in the north of Jersey where no slurs on Freddie’s reputation can be made.
This would kind of make you think you can make allegations against him everywhere else or why else create the area?
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I am 17 years old and I hate all the ugly buildings that are being put up around this used to be beautiful island. Putting another 4000 houses would then lead to obviously more people – more cars / more conjestion / pollution. I have always wanted to stay and live in Jersey and maybe one day bring my own children up in Jersey but will have second thoughts as this island will eventually just be one big building and the beauty of the island destroyed.
I’m glad I am of age to vote as you will NOT be getting mine.
Thank-you.
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Senator Ozouf has previously declared his intention to increase the population of this Island to something in the region of 120,000 with his plan to build umpteen office blocks on the Esplanade and other fancy ideas, that is a matter of record, in reality, the unemployment figures continue to rise, the long term future of Play.Com Indigo Lighthouse and similar Companys is in serious doubt with the prospect of the U.K. Treasury closing the V.A.T. loophole eventually.
Last year, the Finance Industry lost over 480 people, the is no evidence that things will change in the short term, with the announcment that a further 16 were sent packing last week in the Finance Industry which incidentally is the only “game in town”.
Optimism is a great thing, I would appreciate however if Senators Ozouf and Cohen would explain in great detail exactly why there is a need for 4,000 new homes in Jersey.
There have recently been a record number of “open viewing” adverts in the J.E.P. a glut of properties on the market up for sale, if ever there was a “buyers market” in Jersey, then it is now.
Are there so many people living in “sub standard” housing, I do not think so!
As far as Tourism goes, they appear to clutching at straws,as, in my opinion it will take a lot more to attract visitors to Jersey than having the Jersey weather forecast displayed on National T.V.
Most people see things as they really are, in black and white, if Senators Ozouf and Cohen know things we do not, then tell us the truth instead of the usual spin and b******t.
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Somebody get a grip. The plan has not even been published yet and this reaction is to some newspaper headlines!
Let us review the plan – which is for 10 years – and then discuss the options in a sensible fashion.
BR
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41 The future. I have been arguing this ever since the original announcement.
Let’s hope Senator Cohen’s lunacy does not get pushed through before November.
I will not vote for ANY politician who supports this madness.
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Why not wait for the results of the Census before lodging a draft copy of the Island Plan?
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To all those who believe the hype and spin from the states communications unit good luck. To the rest of us that have been watching these events unfold over the past 10 years we can see it for what it really is.
Mass immigration at the expense of the local population. Sell Sell Sell is the order of the day. If you take an average price of £450 K and times it by 4000.
What figure do you get?
For those of you without a calculator its £1800000000.
Now you work out why Freddie would want to change the island plan and factor in who will get to build the new “units” of accommodation.
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Whenever the JEP do an article on Cohen they never mention his being non-excutive director of Max Property Holdings.What other pies does he have his fingers in.
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What a tragedy. The good people of Jersey are faced with a choice between the wealthy feathering their nests and union lackeys without an idea in their heads.
Look at our roads, hospitals and schools. If we have 4,000 extra houses that will be 10-15,000 extra people. Who will profit from building houses? Dandara and Antler. Who will pay for the infrastructure? You and me.
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How on earth can Cohen be a Director of Max Property Holdings and be in charge of planning department it stinks! and if he is not stopped he will destroy our Island GET OUT AND VOTE THIS DISASTER OF A MAN OUT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE THAT ARE AGAINST THIS MAN RUINING OUR ISLAND WITH ANTHOER 4,000 HOMES TO FORM A GROUP TO ACTIVLY OPOSE HIAS RE-ELECTION, TOGETHER IF WE MADE THE EFFORT WE COULD GET RID OF HIM
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WE DON’T ALWAYS AGREE ON HERE AND GOOD BANTER KEEPS THE BLOG HEALTHY..BUT ON THIS FOLKS WE NEED TO BE UNITED….WE DO NOT WANT TO LOOK AND BE LIKE HONG KONG ..HIGH RISE AND COMMUNITY DEAD..FOR THOSE WHO MADE THE DOSH WILL HAVE SCARPERED TO THEIR VILLAS IN BARBADOS AND WE LEFT HOLDING THE CARNAGE WITH ALL WE HELD DEAR……GONE. UNITE AND FIGHT.OR INDIVIDUALLY YOU WILL BE CRUSHED.
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50. Mike. I am with you on that one. Surely Cohen cant be Director of Max Property Holdings?? Can anyone confirm if this is true or not?? If there’s a campaign to vote Cohen out then count me in.
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The solution is simple…
Look at all the properties held empty by money grabbing landlords who will not rent out their properties for less than extortionate rentals.
Tax those landlords as if the properties were rented out and I think you would quickly see rentals falling.
Ah but it doesn’t do to tax those who have done most to destroy Jersey eh?
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Here is the real truth to freddie Cohen. If you google his name it will reveal this http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/companyOfficers?symbol=MAXP.L
Mr. Freddie Cohen is Independent Non-Executive Director of Max Property Group Plc. He was elected as Senator in the States of Jersey in 2005. He was appointed Minister for Planning and Environment in the same year. He was a Trustee and Vice Chairman of Jersey Heritage Trust from 1998 to 2005. Prior to 2000 he ran a private residential and commercial property development and investment company.
It stinks worst than bellozane. This has got to be invistigated.How can you have a man thats on a development board running planning!!!!!!!!!!!
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This is even more disturbing
Max Property Group Plc Announces Intention To Float On AIM And CISX
Monday, 11 May 2009 08:00pm EDT
Max Property Group Plc announced its intention to proceed with an offer of ordinary shares (Shares) to institutional and certain other investors and to apply for admission of its shares to the Alternative Investment Market of the London Stock Exchange (AIM) and the Channel Islands Stock Exchange (CISX). The Directors intend to use the net proceeds of the Offer and the Subscription to fund future real estate investments as well as to fund the Company’s operational expenses. – - – - – (repeated)
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Unfortunatley this is the kind of “descision” making you get when you have a feudal political system based on the haves and have-nots. THe ability to topple such purported politicians is to have the finacial backing and time to invest in a strategic political plan. A complete lack of a definative plan for Jersy based on a continuous review by “politicians and the public” rather than self-serving “politians” many prevent ridiculous ong term plans such is being proposed by Mr Cohen. Jersey, you need to review how politics is run, this is 2011 not 1102!!!
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No Zoro – there are only a minority of you lot who carry on about this, and you are not united with the silent majority.
He has declared his personal interests, this is no great big secret which has just come out. His role on a development board is exactly what his role is, to contribute as a requirement as Minister for Planning. It is part of the job!
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James Wiley…you are sooooo right there…please stand for election.
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If people are really concerned about the shananigans of the Planning Minister, why are there only 20 signatures on the online petition post no 30 has started? Read and sign to show your disapproval. Then perhaps your views will be taken more seriously.
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Much as I like a bit of Freddie bashing myself, it is becoming the national sport, he is blameless in the case of Max Property.
Max Property invests in distressed UK property assets and as far as I know it has no Jersey assets at all.
It latest acquisition was 29 London pubs, so no conflict of interest there;
http://www.maxpropertygroup.com/pdf/Acquisition_140111.pdf
There is enough on the charge sheet, like the Portelet monstrosity, to finish him in November without making it up!
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54.Blade
Interesting link there.Stangely another director to that company happens to be an Advocate to the Royal Court of Jersey and also on the board of Jersey Finance.Where do they find the time.
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Almost all the posters on this thread are ignorant, prejudiced and intolerant, and some are racialist as well.
The Island Plan, as I read the same announcements as everybody else, seeks to protect the countryside and regenerate urban areas (that means the town)
The Whitehead Report states that there are significantly more households in Jersey than homes. That means there is a housing shortage, stupid. That accounts for the high cost of housing.
Nobody said that the States are going to pay for 4,000 new homes.
Nobody said that 4,000 new homes are going to be built as a result of the Island Plan. Even if they are built, it could take years.
If Dandara build homes, they have to sell them, otherwise they lose. If they take the risk, good luck to them. We need more homes, to house people who are not housed.
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Thank you John (61) and well spotted.
I think this needs to be seriously investigated.
This has the potential to be a total conflict of interest from all parties that sit on any board of directors of a development company. The very fact that an advocate of the royal court is also on this company’s board and on finance should set alarm bells ringing.
Any decisions that are made politically by the housing minister and by the planning minister could potentially have far reaching financial implications to them.
There are far too many ex developers lurking in the wings of our new quango development company. Freddie has his fingers in far too many sticky pies for my liking they are all developers for a reason, MONEY.
If Freddie gets his way he will set a builders charter to the tune of £1.8 billion. This is if the average price per unit is £450K. It will then be who will get the deals to build and who gets the money at the end of it.
He is going to change the island plan for the benefit of developers as he is one and NOT for the people who have to live in the under sized and over priced rabbit hutches that he keeps passing at planning.
Max-imize profit at whatever cost.
That’s you and me the taxpayer paying again.
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Yes the island needs more family homes.
The island does not need more 1/2 bed room flatlets to be sold to investors and left empty.
Freddie loved the original “iconic” towers on the water front… any bets whether they will be making a comeback to satisfy this mans ego?
The despoiler rises up again.
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62. No Axe To Grind.
So what’s it like working for Dandara then?? He he
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#62 – you are spot on.
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My word, Jersey is led by idiots. I mean really dim people. 4000 homes?? Does he realise the impact of this? What about schools? Who’ll teach them? What about GP surgeries? What about the shortage of nurses? How many beds has the hospital got? There is not the infrastructure for this. What a mess. Have IQ’s dropped so much?
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If only Dandara was going to use 100% local suppliers and 100% local labor.
4000 homes with uk purchased kitchen , bathrooms and bedrooms fitted by an army of non locals, is not going to help the local economy…
There s a lot of houses for sale on the market, but if you look at what you pay for what you get, it is not surprising that they can’t sell them in this climate.
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Cement industry admits to be among the world’s largest polluters
The cement industry is one of two primary producers of carbon dioxide (CO2), creating up to 5% of worldwide man-made emissions of this gas.
Planning and enviroment… two words that shouldn’t be in the same sentence. SNAFU!
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“Almost all the posters on this thread are ignorant, prejudiced and intolerant, and some are racialist as well.”
Interesting that anyone who does not hold your view gets insulted. More interesting that Real Trollseeker concurs…
I am glad that Cohen is up for re-election this year, the Dandara Plan….sorry, the Island Plan, may well be the final nail in his political coffin (although I suspect he still has a bit of time to screw up even more)
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59 Confused…perhaps you could explain that e mail privacy is available…….I signed
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Planning – respecting Jersey’s architecture. In recent years we have failed to respect Jersey’s traditional architecture. We must ensure that our Island heritage is reflected in new buildings constructed. It costs no more to design and build well.
The above was copied and pasted from Cohen’s own website from his 2009 political manifesto.
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#72 ‘In recent years we have failed to respect Jersey’s traditional architecture’
You’re kidding. They are so obsessed with traditional architecture that in recent decades we have seen newly built estates comprised of miserable looking ‘Jersey’ cottages with high rooflines and poky little windows. No room outside for swinging a cat, let alone parking visitors.
Why not more imaginative bungalows with plenty of space around them, encouraging a lower population density coupled with better quality of life?
I know. Because the ‘traditionals’ maximise profit from each site.
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I have never read such an stupid load of comments
1. Freddie Cohen is a director of a UK property company – no conflict of interest as they are not buying or constructing in Jersey
2. The 4000 homes is what the civil servants came up with based on census and other reports. It is to be built on brownfield land -it’s not like Freddie just came up with a number + it was all planned years ago – there is nothing new here – the island plan has been out for consultation for 2 years.
3. It’s not Dandara going to build on on those little sites it is far more likely to be small builders – and so what if it is Dandara
Pathetic comments – all silly conspiracy theories
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I agree with the negaive comments, especially the ones about Portelet being ruined with that ugly development.
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74 You sound like Freddie.
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We are led to believe that the Islands population is only growing by a small number of people each year (Ha Ha!!) So why is there a constant need to build thousands and thousands of new homes? Where were all these people living before? The rate at which this Island is being over developed is a major concert “very poor quality development at that” Are we going to let Cohen distroy any more of the Island, the way he has at Portelet. The Island is looking very very sad!!
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“ground breaking” alright. By the JCBs.
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74.Ignorance rules OK!
1. Freddie Cohen is a director of a UK property company – no conflict of interest as they are not buying or constructing in Jersey
That is true,but the point i was making is where do Cohens priorities lie.Planning and Enviroment Minister,Foreign Minister director of development companies.
The 4000 homes is what the civil servants came up with based on census.
Seeing as we’ve only just sent in the census forms i think that argument is flawed.I can’t understand how he can come up with an Island Plan without knowing the population.Unless he knows something we don’t.
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I agree with the negative comments about the Portlet development.
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What I don’t understand is who the developers think are going to buy all the houses currently for sale. I would hazard a guess that the majority of immigrants earn too low a wage to buy even if given ‘quallies’.
Many people who bought in the boom years will not have enough equity in their properties to trade up and banks require large deposits in anticipation of further price falls.
Even the £2 million plus market does not seem to be moving.
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