Car scratched after parking space row
Monday 18th April 2011, 2:57PM BST.
Severine Isidor with her damaged car in the parking space at the supermarket
A MOTHER whose car was scratched minutes after a row over parking spaces is appealing for witnesses.
Severine Isidor (40) said that she was sworn at by a man after she had approached him about parking in a mother-and-baby space at the Co-op supermarket in Rue de L’Église, St Peter.
After a verbal exchange, Miss Isidor found another space to park in and went to do her shopping. She said that when she returned to her black Honda Jazz, it had a long scratch down the side that was not there before.
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This is a prime reason you dont confront people yourself, If its causing a problem go and speak to a manager or someone in charge to do something about it, if you confront someone with a nasty temper you get more grief than its worth.
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When my wife brings the car home battered and bumped these were also “not there before”!
Joking aside, most cars parked in mother and child spots don’t contain children. At best they have an empty child seat in them when they pull up. A bit like the disabled spot parking too.
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Probably a shopping trolley,I have had 2 large scratches after supermarket shopping, it goes with the territory.
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First point I am sorry her car was damaged.
But isn’t the Co Op a co operative where all members are equal? how can one group of people have a right to preferential parking. Personally I’m sick to death of people with kids being assigned preferential status, isn’t it enough that those of us who elect not to have offspring pay more tax.
This incident is wrong pure and simple but I do understand the frustration of those who are penalised for choosing not to have kids.
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I’m all for mother and baby spaces. I never park next to a car with a kiddie seat.
The last thing on a busy mum’s mind is someone elses paintwork!
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No Kid Joe, Have a day off! You were once a kid but your small mind probably doesnt let you remember as your to busy parent bashing! I hope you are never disabled and have to park 100 yards away because some no brain scraps parking spaces for the disabled (ref your comment “how can one group of people have a right to preferential parking”)Please take yourself into a corner and have a long conversation with yourself!!
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@ no kid Joe, the only reason there are “family” spaces is so we have a little more room to get babies and children in and out of cars, safely ! If we tried with cars packed in close there wound no doubt be many more scratches on cars ! Not due how ur taxes are paying for that ?
I have to say though, I parked in town recently and some charming person “keyed” every panel on my car, right down to the metal. Hold on to the belief that karma exists
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no kid joe
right on with you there
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Mother and baby spaces are a complete joke anyway. Just because she has a baby with her, does it impact on her ability to walk like everyone else?
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It may have been deliberate by the man that she argued with but it may have been a completely unrelated incident by someone else.
I have seen trolleys rolling across shopping car parks or pushed by children who lose control and hit cars. There are always door dings in any car park and I have seen people backing across a car park and in to the car opposite and then driving away.
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@James 2 and if u live your whole life like that you minds as well be covered in bubble wrap! What use is going to a manager, he/she is not reli concerned as to where people park, but as to how many people are parked spending money in his/her franchise! Wake up!
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@no kid koe
Yeah mate just like we are all penalised for not being handicapped or old or etc etc – jeez what an uncharitable miser you must be.
Try getting a two year old out of a car seat with two inches grace…pray your car is not the one parked close if this has to happen. Bye bye door panel.
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Lesson learnt the hard way – it doesn’t pay to get stroppy with people because you never know what they’ll do in return.
Being a young lady, and a mother, doesn’t give you immunity from idiots in this messed up world!
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as there is no age limit on Children, I park in a spot when I take my mum into the coop and she is 80, so am I breaking a coop rule as this sort of request has no law behind it, stupid acts of discrimination like this makes me sick…….the coop will have to ban me before I stop using these spaces when I shop for my self
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You know Jersey is a safe place to live when this sort of crime is news
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Teach –
Try getting a two year old out of a car seat with two inches grace…pray your car is not the one parked close if this has to happen. Bye bye door panel.
Then park in a space without a vehicle next to it, you chose to have kids, you take the tax break, take the inconvenience as well. It’s bad enough my shopping experience is ruined by kids racing around the supermarket screaming their heads off without having 2nd class parking spaces as well.
6 Here We Go Again –
I hope you are never disabled and have to park 100 yards away because some no brain scraps parking spaces for the disabled (ref your comment “how can one group of people have a right to preferential parking”)Please take yourself into a corner and have a long conversation with yourself!!
I am disabled, I have a registered disability but like many disabled people I am perfectly capable of walking. I never occupy disabled spaces, the difference is people choose to have children, they don’t choose to be disabled.I was objecting to a group of people being assigned preferential status because of a lifestyle choice, not an unavoidable disability. Sorry I’d have said this but I thought it so obvious as to be self explanatory.
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Both my father and his partner have mobility problems and are registered disabled. This does not mean that they go around in a wheelchair all the time but they find it near impossible to walk for more than a few hundred yards or so, nor stand for any great length of time. This means that when they take their car to the supermarket complete with state issued disabled badge and are asked to justify why they are able to clamber down from their own car and retrieve their shopping bags from the boot by over zealous (and able bodied) strangers, they are wasting precious time they could be using to make sure they have enough to eat.
At the end of the day, it’s the supermarket’s job to enforce such rules and although this man acted selfishly, I agree this woman should have spoken to the manager who could have asked the man to move the car or refused him service in future – as it was he told her where to go and she ended up with egg on her face.
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I too have been yelled at before and the man puffed his chest up and got in my face because i asked him if he had a disabled badge.
His long rolls royce soft top was parked in a disabled space.
I only asked, didnt shout, or sound annoyed, I didnt even have any interest in the space myself as I am not disabled, but it annoys me when people use them for convenience.
I would que for 10 mins extra when all mother and baby spaces are free,, just because its the right thing to do, it annoys me so much when people speed in, and just park where they like.
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Keep kids out of the supermarket, I’m fed up of hearing screeching and howling because they can’t get what they want. If i wanted to hear that noise I’d go to a zoo. Also can’t stand the mouthy mothers who do nothing but shout at their children, what are they going to be like when they grow up.
As for disabled spaces, if you don’t require one, don’t get involved. You’ve only yourself to blame when things go wrong. The trouble with this society is that people constantly stick their noses where they are clearly not wanted.
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No Kid Joe – How does your mind work! Your parents chose to have kids (YOU)! I hope you tell them daily how your sorely dissapointed with them for having you!
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Easy solution
If mother and child parking spaces were marked out in the far corner of the car park, then there would not be the temptation for ‘ordinary’ shoppers to park there
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Pyer – Yeah, what have mothers ever done for us after all? Erm…
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No Kid Joe – Who is going to keep the economy going, pay taxes, and help provide healthcare for you when you are old and decrepit? Ah yes, my children.
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Here we go again!
No Kid Joe – How does your mind work! Your parents chose to have kids (YOU)! I hope you tell them daily how your sorely dissapointed with them for having you!
I had no choice in my being born, my parents chose for me, as for telling them how disappointed I am I’d need the help of Doris Stoates, they’ve been dead for years. You can’t be responsible for choices made by someone else before you were born.
I wonder could I rent a parking space in your head, there must be lots of room as it is clearly uncontaminated by grey matter.
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7. One Kid K
“@ no kid Joe, the only reason there are “family” spaces is so we have a little more room to get babies and children in and out of cars, safely ! ”
Er, no, the only reason there are “family” spaces is because the supermarkets know parents are one of the largest spending groups and so try to do all they can to encourage you to shop there rather than at the competition. They do not care about whether you can get your X5/Range Rover/Cayenne/other chav mobile into the space and wrestle little Johnny into the back whilst he’s suffering another tantrum as you didn’t let him bring his Nintendo DS to the supermarket.
A supermarket is a business and therefore concerned with making profits and only concerned with the wellbeing of its customers insofar as it contributes to increasing the former.
See the other story about Waitrose and mobility scooters for a prime example of this.
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Just remembered, the Waitrose story was over in Guernsey so here it is http://www.thisisguernsey.com/2011/04/19/no-more-waitrose-for-me-says-ms-sufferer/ for those who don’t read the news cross island!
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I thank them for mother and tot parking, having no-one to mid the girls, i have to take a 6month and 12month old shopping with me. It is so difficult, to watch one whilst trying to unbuckle the other. I park-up grab a trolly put one child in, then unstrap the other and place baby seat on trolly, hoping to GOD that trolly and child don’t roll off! Then proceed to try and shop. I can’t afford child care, and don’t have anyone to look after the children so I cope the best I can, and thank supermarkets for these spaces one less hassle, and who is there to help unload shopping from trolly into car NO-ONE! So why not get a trolly man and helper to help US ALL, to put shopping into our cars and take trollies back, yes I will gladly tip them..BUT ….will you?
I too have had a say at people who park with no kids in car,it is mostly MEN who abuse this !!! also whilst we are at it why not have a senior citz parking space too, some have trouble walking/taken to shops by family/helpers etc… but they are not registered disabled, because they are not just old, this will help them out too.
Ask your parents if this could have helped them when you were small, didn’t listern and prone to running off ! AND we shall all be senior citz too one day !
Why can’t shopping be made a little easier to help us out, it is stressful enough as it is!
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No Kid Jo
Try and take this different perspective…
The more ‘baby’ spaces are occupied then the less chance there is of some frustrated parent rushing around dragging their kid out of the back seat and crashing in to YOUR car door.
So whilst you may see it as someone else getting preferential treatment I am grateful for ‘baby’ spaces moving the hazard away from MY property.
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Of course, if space allowed it, ALL parking spaces should be of a wider width so that all car doors can be opened fully! But that isn’t going to happen. So in the meanwhile I am happy for people who need extra access to their car to have it!
Gosh some people on here are seriously lacking in ‘joie de vivre’ ! Life is too short to find fault in everything!
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No Kid Joe – I completely agree with you!!
Its just as annoying as (in the workplace) all the parents that think they have more right to have time off around xmas just because they have kids as if the rest of us don’t have family!
And if i was taking my elderly grandparents there (who do not have a disabled badge as they don’t have a car) I wouldn’t think twice about parking in those spaces and i wouldn’t move for someone with kids even if i took the last space.
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No 16 No Kid Joe – Thanks for your helpful advice of “then park in a space without a vehicle next to it”. I always try to park on an end space with the passengers side close as poss to the wall/bush etc and get my son to climb out the driver’s side. Unfortunately due to the dire driving/parking skills of other motorists, I frequently end up with the vehicle on my driver’s side over the line and leaving me next to no space to get myself in the car let alone be able to open the rear door wide enough for my son to climb in and for me lean in to secure his seatbelt.
No Kid Joe – Any other useful advice?
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After shopping at grand marche yesterday i would say the elderly are more of a problem. I went with my 4 year old, didnt park in parent and child and watched an old couple take the last space. Then whilst shopping on crutches i was pushed and shoved. My daughter? Walked by my side and didnt stray? The elderly? blocked aisles, muttered about items not being there and then rammed their trolleys into my ankles and took up most of the self service tills with the same trolleys.
Maybe you should have to have a permit to park in parent and child spaces the same as disabled to stop people who do not have kids using them. Out of kids and the elderly? I would far rather go shopping when there are kids around.
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jerseygirlcapetown
Having read your comment I have decided that when I see a mother struggling with the shopping trolley and the kids I am going to offer, at the least to take the trolley back for them. That is of course if they are parked near me at the time.
It will take me what, 30 seconds out of my day to offer a bit of help. In fact I will do the same for OAP’s.
Much better than moaning!
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I saw a weird one the other day. At fort regent, there are limited spaces for sports players to park cars. There is also a number of “mother and child” parking spaces, many of which are often empty.
What I saw was a woman with a toddler taking up the last “non mother and child” space, while there were at least four “mother and child” spaces vacant. This lady was therefore depriving someone not blessed with children of a parking space, just because she was too lazy to bother to use the “mother and child” spaces.
I put the matter down to sheer ignorance on her part. I guess I could have asked her what she thought she was doing, but I chose to mind my own business, which is precisely what Ms Isidor should have done! Self-righteous parents who choose to start a family seem to think that the rest of the world owes them a living. We don’t.
Disabled people can’t help their condition. Parents, however, have taken the conscious decision to take on that status. Mother and child parking is, by and large, not enforceable.
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I agree that one of the aims of parent and child spaces is to entice families into supermarkets etc to spend money.
However, they also serve other purposes. As numerous people have mentioned, getting a child in and out of a car requires more space than an adult needs particularly when you are talking about a baby whose full car seat needs to be moved. When there have been no P & C spaces, I have struggled every time to get my son in and out without my door touching the car next to us. I would hate to scratch or dent someone else’s car due to a lack of space.
Also, there is a safety and practicality aspect which is resolved by being able to park next to the door of the shop. Firstly, carrying a baby in a car seat is hard work. They are heavy and the closer I can park to the door the better so
I can get the baby into a trolley! Secondly, my son is now 4 and it is far safer for me to get him out of the car and he can stand on the path away from moving cars while I get my bag out etc.
In regards to the comment about keeping kids out of shops, how intolerant can you get? Children are part of our society and excluding them from shopping is a ridiculous suggestion
Finally, I would like to point out that I believe that, here in Jersey, it is our tolerance, friendly nature and desire to help each other out that sets us aside from the UK. I hope that some of the comments on here are a minority viewpoint. I applaud this lady for having the guts to stand up to this BULLY. People have stopped doing that in the UK for fear of repercussion and consequence and we can all see the problems they have which we, thankfully, do not have here. I hope we NEVER stop speaking out against people in the wrong. It’s one of the things that makes Jersey great!
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There is no law about mother and babies places. I think you will find that it is parent and child places any how. who says its just mothers with kids that do the shopping. Dads to as well (sometimes.
A facility may provide spaces for parents and children and lable it up but unfortunatly it is not law. so anyone can park there. It is just a ruling from the place in which yuou visit. As someone above mentioned you will be then discriminating.
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15. joker – exactly my thoughts!
From the outbursts on here you’d think using a mother-&-child space when one shouldn’t was on the same level as walking into a bank and opening fire!
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What do you all think of this idea:
In the UK I used to do all my shopping online and had groceries delivered to my door. It’s more convenient and better for the environment, well worth the £5 or so delivery charge in exchange for the savings you get on buying in bulk.
If we did this in Jersey, wouldn’t this mean less people would have to visit the supermarket by car? I know that the big stores do offer a home delivery service but isn’t there a minimum spend of £100 or so and don’t you have to actually be in the shop to arrange it? Kind of defeats the point…
Imagine the benefits to the elderly and single parents if their goods were dropped of by van to their door, they wouldn’t have to step outside their house. Even if they didn’t have internet they could go to the library and use one of the computers there. Do I sense a petition coming along?
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Just to add to Julia’s comment @ 34 re Fort Regent parent & child spaces.
In my experience, I often cannot get into these spaces as many are taken up by the gym users. Just last week when I took my little bunny to the play arena, I tried to get a space but some no-neck steroid-muncher took the last space then proceeded to shamelessly waddle towards the gym.
I was tempted to point out to him the error of his ways, but as this news article has shown it’s best to not get involved. Irritating that these spaces are not enforceable.
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Elvid, you did make me laugh with your message. It is clearly a “reverse parody” of Julia’s post and as such, is brilliantly well observed. I particularly liked the description of the bodybuilder in your fictious scenario although, as you admit, it is somewhat easier to make such comments from the safety of an armchair, lest those who waddle take excpetion to nosey do-gooders! Well done!
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What are you lot moaning about? I think those “Parent/Child” spaces are fantastic, i have a Range Rover and its MASSIVE, really hard to park in any car park, but i find that two of those “Parent/Child” spaces are perfect for it, i park right in the middle and i have plenty of room either side to get in and out and no chance of any feckless parent banging my paint work with their 20 year old Datsun/pushchair!
I admit, i don’t actually have kids myself but my cleaner does and i let her use my car… Well, once… Well, i say use, she cleaned it for me once, but i think that counts!
The campaign for more “Parent/Child” spaces starts here!
Love & Hugs.
xxx
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We don’t really know what happened here, we only have this woman’s side of the story. It takes two to make an argument and, by her own admission, this person started the exchange. It rather looks as though a perhaps aggressive and self-righteous opening met with unexpected resistence when the other party apparently stood up for himself. As for the damage to the vehicle, the suspicion may have arisen from a guilty conscience.
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Just to add to Julia’s comment @ 34 re Fort Regent non parent & child spaces.
In my experience, I often cannot get into these gym user spaces spaces as many are taken up by the parent and toddler fraternity. Just last week when I went to the gym, I tried to get a space but some parent took the last non mother and toddler space then proceeded to shamelessly waddle towards the entrance.
I was tempted to point out to her the error of her ways, but as this news article has shown it’s best to not get involved. Irritating that these non mother and toddler spaces are not enforceable.
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#8 You need more room to get in and out of a sports car, I think the Co-op should provide larger spaces just for sports cars, after all it is in the interests of the cars parked either side!
Given childhood obesity and women trying to lose ‘baby weight’ maybe the best plan is for parent and child spaces to be furthest from the supermarket with a path for safely walking around the outside of the car park (same sized spaces as currently obviously).
No Kid Joe, as someone who is also disabled I get your point on this one, I don’t qualify for a blue badge due to my condition being very intermittent. Still, it is safer for your body and your mind to park as far away as possible from parent and child spaces since some parents let their child push the trolley!
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Actually, given adult obesity we could probably do with ‘obese people spaces’. They have to open the door wider than others and if I see an obese person in a car I do tend to ensure I don’t park next to them.
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Allie @ 43. Not sure if this is supposed to be amusing or an actual point-of-view, but frankly it’s immature. As a Fort Regent gym user and most likely an Active card holder, I’m sure you’re more than aware that you can park for free on the top two floors of the car park. As a father with a young child (but no longer an Active card holder) I have no such privilege, unless I can get into one of the parent & child spaces – otherwise I have to pay.
It was actually a valid point I was making – these spaces should not be taken up by people who just want a nice close convenient space, when they already enjoy free parking. Yet I have to pay to take my child to the arena because some Stallonite doesn’t want to walk the extra 50 metres?
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No 9 Beaumont:
“Mother and baby spaces are a complete joke anyway. Just because she has a baby with her, does it impact on her ability to walk like everyone else?”
How ignorant are you? Get yourself educated man! When I was pregnant the hormonal changes caused a condition called SPD where your pelvic bones part company will resulting excruciating pain on walking. Hence I was on crutches. Not only that; a complicated birth with severe bloodloss necessitated a blood transfusion after which I was still so very weak for months. I was lucky that I had other people to do my shopping, other mothers are not so lucky. So yes mate, having a baby can and does impact on “her ability to walk like everyone else”. But you didn’t have a clue about that did you?
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Elvid, You have to pay to use the top two floors of the “fort regent car park” if you are an ordinary gym user. Your post did look like a joke and you sought to poke fun at and stereotype a particular type of gym user, who is just as entitled to use the facilities as you are. You subsequent post sees you adopt the same tactic, though you doubtless do so from your armchair and you probably woudn’t have the courage to step into the weights room, far less come out with the dribble to the face of one of the occupants!
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46 Rather than making silly comments about weight lifters, if you feel that a person (not just a weight lifter, about which you seem to have an inferiority complex) is parking where she shouldn’t be, please speak to a member of the Fort Staff.
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39,43 and 46 (same person?), Frankly it’s immature. As a parent and most likely an Active card holder, I’m sure you’re more than aware that you can park for free on parent and child spaces of the car park. As a gym user (but no longer an Active card holder) I have no such privilege, unless I can get into one of the free spaces – otherwise I have to pay if one of these spaces is taken up by a parent when there are dedicated parent spaces available.
It was actually a valid point I was making – these spaces should not be taken up by people who just want a nice close convenient space, when they already enjoy free parking within the same car park. Yet I have to pay because some ignorant person doesn’t want to walk the extra, literally, 5 metres?
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Dear Lord, spare me.
“Inferiority complex about weight lifters”
“woudn’t have the courage to step into the weights room”
“…just as entitled to use the facilities as you are”
Correction: weight lifers/gym users are NOT just as entitled to use the PARENT/CHILD spaces as I am, if they are just going to the gym. That’s the point I was making.
In answer to the ‘inferiority’ ridicule I’ve been given – for what it’s worth, I was an Fort gym user for many, many years, I started with bodybuilding then switched to cardio supplemented with Ju Jitsu, and boxing at Pisces. I used to train 6 days per week and most of you Fort users will have seen me on the crosstrainer, treadmill or rower – I’m the dude with the tattoos and (usually) black top. These days I use a different gym as it’s more convenient. So that’s a bit of a blow to your armchair-psychoanalyses of me, yes? If I had an inferiority complex about weightlifters I’d simply do what they do – lie on a bench and huff and puff occasionally in between bouts of posing. Isn’t it strange how the weights room has mirrors on 3 of the 4 walls, yet not the rest of the gym?!
Unless they’ve changed the rules within the last 2 years since I stopped using the Fort, then Active card holders can park for free on the top two floors. Parents, however, cannot – other than in the allocated P/C spaces.
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People who have children should be allowed to park closer because they do lose the ability to walk because of their hormones. I believe that parent and child spaces should be rolled out across town.
In fact, offices with private spaces should be made to set aside, at their own expense, special spaces so that these unfortunate individuals will be able to do their shopping, although the matter of how they walk within stores is something which will need further consideration and perhaps the installation of the conveyor belts that are seen at Heathrow airport and elsewhere. It would be expensive, but it would put Jersey at the top of the socially aware, trendy lefty, scene and it would be iconic.
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You’ve just got to be tolerant. If people park where, techicaly, they shouldn’t, then just mind own business, whether it is people parking in parent spaces or parents parking in other people’s spaces. Those who start arguments over such ridiculous pettiness are perhaps looking for trouble which they don’t like when they get it.
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@no kid joe
you keep mentioning why should you have to go shopping where kids are running around well why should have to out up with miserable people like you, if you dont like it go to a different shop. As a mother of 2 children which i chose to have and which myself and my partner work to support and pay taxes.
you would be the 1st person to moan if your car got scratched or bumped by a car door as a mother/father is trying to get there child out.
why is your anger only aimed at women, men are parents to
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#44 & #45 You really are a despicable excuse for a human. How DARE you compare yourself to someone who is actually disabled. What a disgusting thing to do.
And saying that obese people, and mothers who need to lose their baby weight should park further away just shows how awful you are.
I totally agree with parent/child spaces. Those without children would be the first to complain if their car was scratched by someone opening their door that little bit wider. I say make more of the spaces, I can’t stand you ‘childless’ people complaining so much!
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Ordinary gym users do have to pay to use the car park. Any fort user would know that. If you were a bodybuilder yourself you wouldn’t talk about “waddling”, “stalonites” or people “huffing and puffing” on the bench press. You would also know why gyms have mirrors. I doubt if any ju-jitsu or boxing did occur. Most clubs strive to eject those who have big egos so I wouldn’t think any belts would have been awarded! The tattoos, though, I can believe, along with the inferiority complex about weightlifters and now, apparently, martial arts!
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Correction: parents are NOT just as entitled to use the ordinary spaces as I am, if there are moter and child spaces vacant. That’s the point I was making.
These days I use a different gym as it’s more convenient. So that’s a bit of a blow to your armchair-psychoanalyses of me, yes? If I had an inferiority complex about weightlifters I’d simply do what they do if only I could – lie on a bench and huff and puff and try to bench press more than about 5 kg each side!
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I saw a strange sight the other day. At fort regent, there are limited spaces for sports players to park cars. There is also a number of “mother and child” parking spaces, many of which are often empty.
What I saw was a woman with a toddler taking up the last “non mother and child” space, while there were at least four “mother and child” spaces vacant. This lady was therefore depriving someone not blessed with children of a parking space, just because she was too lazy to bother to use the “mother and child” spaces.
I put the matter down to sheer ignorance on her part. I guess I could have asked her what she thought she was doing, but I chose to mind my own business.
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#55 You need to get a brain mate, it was clearly a tongue in cheek comment.
But while we’re at it, ‘babyweight’ is somewhat of a myth. There is no need to pile on a ridiculous amount of weight during pregnancy, it is (unsurprisingly) a sign of bad diet and lack of exercise! Who’d have thought?
And yes, I AM actually disabled. Not everyone who is disabled qualifies for a blue badge due to a lack of education within the medical fraternity.
So how dare you make such disgraceful comments about disability!
p.s. Met any obese people who wouldn’t benefit purely from walking that extra little bit? If you have then please notify the NHS of your medical breakthrough!
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#55 Incidentally if childfree people are moaning at you chances are you’re a useless parent! Childfree people are usually the first to be pleasant and grateful towards good parents
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Maybe you should try reading things in context before insulting people. What is wrong with highlighting the fact that bigger a person the more room they need to open a car door? That’s just a trigonometrical fact. The article is about cars being scratched, something none of us want to happen to our cars. Leah also mentioned sports cars, and she’s right on that point also, they do need more room (and some hatchbacks even). If no sports car drivers took offence then you should maybe ask yourself why YOU did.
With Jersey’s obesity rates I would think finding novel ways to encourage obese children (and those new mothers who are concerned about their weight) to walk more would be welcomed.
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59 – I’m pretty sure you’re actually a mother yourself. No ‘childless’ person can be this obsessed with children. I have never heard anyone talk about children as much as you do.
And being a little bit sad does not count as being disabled. You need to get a life.
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And following your incessant need to keep adding extra comments after your original post, I shall do the same.
Funny how you and Jersey Joe always post after each and back up each other’s opinions. Funny that…
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This kind of over inflated sense of entitlement on the part of parents is perhaps why children today tend, with some exceptions, to have little education in the way of manners; if the parents behave like spoilt brats, so too will their offspring. Has anybody else seen the standard of behaviour of children in restaurants these days? Those who speak politely with parents when their enjoyment is spoiled often receive the sort of respose that this parking lady met. The example to children is terrible but, as we all know, ignorance breeds ignorance
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No. 59 Leah – I’m guessing you don’t know any ‘obese’ people? A basic understanding of social etiquette would dictate this not to be funny.
And as a pregnant woman you are expected to put on weight, and not just the weight of the baby and placenta. But I don’t expect you to understand this.
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#64 You’ve hit the nail on the head with the fact that children are even in restaurants!
It’s a fairly new phenomenon dragging some poor child out to a restaurant (especially when some moron parents do it at night) and then forcing the poor, thoroughly bored child to sit there while you play grown-ups. I’ve met some great parents who actually understand how wrong that is, and how unfair it is on the child. Taking your child to restaurants and keeping them out late at night isn’t about the child, it’s about you doing exactly what you want to do and then dragging your child along with you, even when it isn’t best for them.
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#59 Oh Clarra dear, the tongue in cheek bit wasn’t the obesity, it was pointing out that there can be any number of reasons why someone might need more room to open a car door. D’oh!
You are only expected to put on a bit of weight, not as much as some people claim is ‘baby weight’. And it doesn’t have to be lost at celebrity speed but, like all weight, it can be lost. I know quite a few obese people, it’s not about social etiquette, it’s a simple fact that a bigger person will need a door to open further! People like you who believe the elephant in the room should be entirely ignored are the ones that are making this society the insane place it is where no issues can be dealt with because no-one is allowed to discuss them for fear of retribution. It’s pathetic and it’s halting society from dealing with issues, like childhood obesity.
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#63 Well we are online at the same time, and we do agree with each other so why wouldn’t we? Or are you one of these silly conspiracy theorists
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My wife & I were in a child parking space & herd this lady being rather unlady like to someone who had parked in a child parking space, it seemed she thought these spaces were for her own sole use, once she had a space become available she thought it would be clever to block the car park stopping myself & others from exiting & also stopping other vehicles with children entering, rather childish, after several minuites she decided to park in the space but gave me & my wife a dirty look as though we did not have permishion to park, we have a commercial vehicle, thus we need a larger space also we look after our nephew who is under one year old & travels in a car seat in said vehicle, may be she will learn from this, treat as you want to be treated, she started the argument & now has the scars to prove it,
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It’s not rocket science…..it’s only parking spaces.
As I see it, if there are going to be designated parent & child spaces where childless people are banned from using them 9and can be enforced), then the parents (with children) should forfeit their right to use the “normal” parking spaces…..it’s only fair!
Either way, just use your brain and go shopping off peak times so there are plenty of spaces for you to choose from!!
Perhaps if some parents actually controlled their offspring in public and showed some degree of consideration for other people going about their own business then they would not be treated with the contempt that a lot of them fully deserve!
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I have witnessed a family using family parking at a supermarket and how dare they do this! The supermarket obviously knowing that apart from the “elderly zombies” mums with young kids are the most regular and biggest spenders, so in their client focus madness have provided them with priority parking. I am a single female with a lot of free time for wow and of course frequent blog posting (like this) I need basic supplies each night (microwave meal for one) and have to observe sometimes Obese families getting a better deal than me!.
Well removing the parking and providing priority spaces for single loners should first remove the risk of rumored random vandalism and secondly also provide a cure for obesity for the NHS
You know I’m right Leah Holmies.
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Shame that Leah Homies is illiterate
Did I say mums (and why is it only mums incidentally? In the sign it’s clearly a skirt.) shouldn’t have these spaces? NO, I pointed out that there are LOTS of people who need larger spaces.
Maybe going back to primary school and learning to read would benefit you.
And no, I’m not single and being childfree doesn’t mean you have lots of free time, but you carry on with your prejudices.
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i would just like to say that its no wander the “CHILDLESS” people are commenting its probably because there too selfish and miserable to find someone to have a baby with
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71 & 73 I love you guys! Nice to see I’m not the only one who feels like this. And Leah Homies is hardly illiterate when her post makes more sense than the original Leah’s!
And it’s a shame “Leah” always has to resort to calling people stupid. Look through months/years of posts by her, and any time anyone has an opposing view, she calls them stupid and patronises them! Pot, kettle, black anyone?
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What an interesting thread!
My husband and I have three children, all grown up now. My husband’s theory (a restauranteur of Jersey fame): our children are joining our life and not the other way around. They came out to restaurants with us regularly from a very young age, we had a vast array of jigsaws, crayons, painting, paper toys, etc. and kept them happy, they were never allowed to disturb other diners. When they were tired we went home, it worked for us and were regularly congratulated on our well behaved children.
Back then, we had no ‘family parking’ it’s a new phenomenon! We’ve moved on to another era, where my husband is now disabled and it isn’t unusual as I search for a parking space, to find that either an able bodied or on occasions a person with a slight limp, who is in possession of a disabled badge is occupying a disabled space.
Jersey is a difficult enough place to find a parking space and not long ago we used to find the lower floor in Sand Street a boon!!!
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I feel like the bully police on this site sometimes.
Why aren’t nasty people like 73 and 74 removed from the site? What does it say about Jersey that tourists could come on here and see that people like that live on this island?
As an island Jersey already has a reputation for narrow-minded island folk like that, people who can’t accept change or anyone holding a different view to their own. What if tourists (do we still have any or has the poster in question chased them all away) come on here and see that instead of adding to a debate some Jersey people just resort to name calling (noting that the author of 73 and 74, and all the other nasty posts they have made, is actually the one that started the name calling).
Time for this site to be properly moderated, and for people like poster 73 & 74 that do not like free speech to be removed. Jersey isn’t the most liberal of places and we come under fire for that, the least we can do is hang onto free speech, even if the poster in question is against free speech.
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It really does upset me that certain people always resort to calling people ‘uneducated’ or comment on their ability to spell/write etc. I know plenty of highly intelligent people who may be dyslexic, but I’d never put them down by saying they were illiterate or needed to go back to school. I wish people would see that there is more to a person than their IQ.
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@no kid joe
you keep mentioning why should you have to go shopping where kids are running around well why should have to out up with miserable people like you, if you dont like it go to a different shop. As a mother of 2 children which i chose to have and which myself and my partner work to support and pay taxes.
you would be the 1st person to moan if your car got scratched or bumped by a car door as a mother/father is trying to get there child out.
why is your anger only aimed at women, men are parents to
Sorry No Kid couldn’t resist.
He would be the first person to moan if his car door got scratched as a parent got their child out. Of course he would what kind of moron doesn’t look when taking children out of a car, do you think being a parent makes this excusable? if you can’t be responsible for your kids when shopping leave them at home.
Go to a differnt shop? – there are only Waitrose and Co Op supermarkets and both are full of mums, where do you suggest as a kid free shopping experience.
Grammatical basics – i should be I, parents to should be parents too, there child should be their child.
I’m guessing that you want to give your kids the one thing you didn’t have – an education.
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#74 Awww you poor soul eh? Unlike you I don’t call people names on here, so not entirely sure where you’re getting that little gem from
And unlike you I understand the concept of being an adult, hence sometimes I agree with, say, God’s Mentor, othertimes I disagree, but I accept that he is entitled to his view and don’t call him names for having his view.
So the pot and kettle comment is really aimed at yourself I guess. You are the one that is against free speech! Something that I would defend vigorously.
#77 You’re right about dyslexia, apologies if you think I’m criticising dyslexics, that’s not my intention. The only people I consider stupid are those who fail to read what is being said, assume they can tell intent from the written word, or fail to accept that in this world we are all entitled to hold differing views. In my mind that does mean they need to go back and get an education because education is about learning exactly that. Maybe stupid isn’t really the word for it, selfish I guess is more apt. Only a selfish person would consider that no-one else is allowed to hold a differing view, and only a selfish person would fail to even consider how a political decision that benefits them financially might be financially bad for others. That really is selfish, something our troll clearly is.
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76 – maybe the mods agree that we’re tired of the same people spouting the same nonsense?
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#75 Our parents took us out (although never late) to restaurants at a young age, but they did wait till they could be sure we could behave. The same happens with my nieces and nephews. And if you misbehave you have to prove yourself all over again. I’m not sure why some parents have an issue with that kind of concept.
Still, it was early (like 5:15 and we’d be home and in bed by 7) so before most adult-only groups would go for dinner, and it was a restaurant with specific children’s menu (always a good hint) rather than a particularly posh place. And my parents waited till there was 2 of us, understanding that the first child out alone with two adults was going to be rather bored. When I see parents taking their kids to places like the Candlelight well into the evening, I do wonder who it is being done for. I can’t help but feel for the child being forced out and made to sit quietly while surrounded by adults, and unsurprisingly the quiet never lasts in those situations. Somewhat unfair on the restaurant and on other patrons.
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Leah, for Pete’s sake stop feeding the trolls! Frustrating as it may be, resist! Then we can get back to debating properly without scrolling through endless nonsense posts.
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#82 Noted Jersey Shambles thank you. It’s not frustrating for me, if they’re trolling me at least they’re not off trolling someone who may get upset by it. Trolls have caused people to commit suicide after all, yet few trolls probably give any thought to just how bad a ‘human’ they actually are. Still I shall leave EB et all alone. Cheers
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Once again Leah Holmes proves that she is the more mature, dignified and sensible person with that final comment and refusing to bow to ‘trolls’ who obviously have nothing better to do. As someone who frequently gets pulled into long, off-topic arguments by these under-the-bridge-dwellers, I wish that I had more of your resolve, Leah.
Right, perhaps we can get back to the debate…!
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#84 – on this page maybe! Try reading the other ones.
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Elvid 84
What was this debate about? Why, grammatical basics, of course!
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84; indeed. One agrees.
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The irony and hypocrisy in one of these very recent posts is readily apparent
We should all be allowed to express a point of view and not be singled out as a particular group for the “inadequate inferiors”!
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I guess it is possible to learn resolve with a little self discipline and humble nature. Tolerance of petty transgressions helps the world to be a better place, particularly in these aggressive, self-righteous times.
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two door cars have longer doors than do four door ones. They therefore need more space to open, especially if a large person is getting out or someone with overweight children or perhaps a large dog or a large older relative. Larger cars will need more space in any case and these four wheel drive large cars will need a larger space again.
Perhaps the answer is to make larger spaces in order to cater for larger people, larger cars and their larger children, then everyone, including this woman, might stop moaning about nothing.
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LOL right on cue, come the trolls baying for blood
86 Keyboard Warrior – Grammatical basics? No, actually the debate was about mother & child car spaces,following the revelation that someone got their car scratched following an altercation. Perhaps you’re getting confused with another thread?
87, 88, 89 (same person? Perhaps the obsessed avatar-watcher could answer that for me!) – nice names, very mature! You should perhaps try to remember that, although it’s not actually a muscle, the brain needs excercise too! Still, you did give me a chuckle
“Leah Homies” et al
Whether or not one agrees with Leah (the proper one I mean) she does at least always bring something constructive to the debate – never once have I seen Leah make up silly names in a rather childish attempt to score points over someone with whom she disagrees.
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Elvid 91.
“Obsessed avatar-watcher, eh!
Not at all, I simply have the capacity to store and recall information and images with a high level of precision.
However, I must agree with Leah Holmes – learning to read and write correctly in early childhood is essential…and can even prevent violent behaviour later in life.
Take, for example:
Let’s shoot Tobias!” vs “Let’s shoot, Tobias!”
The former ‘cry’ would probably leave poor Tobias seriously wounded, whereas the latter would simply make Tobias move more swiftly onto the next subject…and with a bit of luck, interact more light-heartedly!
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92; yes, it does look as though someone has rather too much time on his or her hands and the funny thing is, the “nice names” are something which were initially used by that person; pot, kettle, black tends to spring to mind; still, it does make me laugh, even if it is a bit sad
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does troll mean anyone who disagrees with the point of view of the one who cries “troll”?
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91; eh? “Right on cue..?”, “avatar watchers?” “nice names?” “very mature?”
look who’s talking?!
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I know I’m going to get “trolled” for this by those who disagree and know best, but I just cant help parking in the M&C supermarket parking spaces. Does anyone else see them as blatant pandering to a pressure group (‘mothers with kids’) that is putting everyone else out?
Supermarkets are required by law to provide disabled parking, yet even that is being sited further and further away from the main entrance, so that mummy and her big 4*4 can park badly in a lorry sized area.
I wouldn’t care a hoot if the M&C spaces were at the back of the car park, because I can see that there is a need for them to prevent kids opening doors on neighboring cars. They’re not at the back though, are they? They’re right at the front like royalty.
Its happening more and more in France – jobsworths looking for excuses to give some poor disadvantaged group preferential treatment. Yeah right. I’ve never ever parked in a disabled spot, and agree with the need for them 100%. What fool decided to give M&C the same privileges though?
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96 – Sally, what a load of bumpkin!! Every shop i have been to have the disabled spaces closer than Parent & Child! And believe me, ever since this thread started I have been keeping an extra eye out because I knew eventually someone would say that.
And 94 – Alison, I couldn’t agree more! It is the same so often here, someone says something the majority of people don’t agree with and suddenly they’re a troll, even though a lot of the others are offensive and rude! It’s supposed to be an open forum but seems nothing short of the same group of bullies spouting their nonsense day in day out.
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92,93,95
I’m not going to bother feeding the trolls on this occasion so you’re going to have to keep looking out for billy goats, I’ve better things to do today than bother with the inane and the insane. I do love having a chuckle at your immaturity though, so please keep the posts coming – it further confirms my superiority to yourselves.
Sally @ 96
Thankyou for getting the thread back on topic, personally I disagree with you but at least someone here actually wants to discuss the subject at hand.
Further to your point; I do see where you’re coming from, however the reason there are M&C spaces is not so much because some yummy mummy with a 4×4 needs a big space. Speaking as a father of a young child (9 months), my daughter – like many others of that age – has a large bulky baby chair which keeps her safe whilst I am driving. This then gets taken out of the car when I take her shopping – and to get these chairs out, one needs to open the door fully. Impossible to do in a normal space unless one parks over the line. Indeed, I have had plenty of trouble parking at home in the communal parking lot if all of the wider spaces have gone.
So, these M&C spaces serve two purposes – one, to enable us to easily get our babies in and out, and secondly to avoid us scraching other peoples cars. So they’re not just for our benefit.
Now, unfortunately, there are plenty of mothers that abuse this system, eg people with children who are 15 years old but still think they have a right to park there – they are really only designed for young infants up to about 18 months or so, beyond that there is no need to use them. I’m guessing it’s because of that reason, that some people here are so anti-M&C spaces.
Finally, the reason they are “right at the front like Royalty” is simply because babies in baby chairs tend to be quite heavy as the actual chair weighs considerably more than the baby itself, and I for one would struggle to carry her from the back of the car park to the shopping trollies, so it’s only being realistic.
Hope this clears up the issue, and perhaps you’ll realise now that we’re not simply trying to put others out by having these spaces, we’re not jobsworths looking for preferential treatment, we’re just parents trying to do the best we can for our children.
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98; Clearly, someone has a massive inferiority complex and too much time on his hands. I too have a young son but i feel that a good example should be set by maturity and not silly name calling, dogma and agressive inadequacy.
I do love having a chuckle at your immaturity though, so please keep the posts coming. Make sure that you stay glued to the computer for the latest update so that you can swiftly respond for the amusement of all
Hope this clears up the issue, and perhaps you’ll realise now that we’re not simply trying to put others out by having these spaces, we’re jobsworths looking for preferential treatment, we’re just parents trying to do the best we can for our children.
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It makes you wonder what people who profess to have children are doing spending their time watching the web for the opportunity to get the last word on forums like this. Haven’t they (or rather one particualar and persistently vocal commentator) got better things to do with their time? Goodness knows what their offspring will grow up to be like if this is the kind of activity and example which parents regard as acceptable.
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Elvis * 91,92, 93, 95 98 you’ll be thinking you can see the face of these imaginary “trolls” in your breakfast cereal next, you’re a bit like the Witchfinder General.
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the reason there are M&C spaces is not so much because some yummy mummy with a 4×4 needs a big space. Speaking as a father of a young child (9 months), my daughter – like many others of that age – is a large bulky baby This then gets taken out of the car when I take her shopping – and to get these childrren out, one needs to open the door fully. Impossible to do in a normal space unless one parks over the line, even though they tend to be the same size as the M and C spaces. Indeed, I have had plenty of trouble parking at home in the housing estate parking lot if all of the wider spaces have gone.
So, these M&C spaces serve two purposes – one, to enable us to easily get our babies in and out, and secondly to avoid us illegally scraching other peoples cars. So they’re not just for our benefit, they help everyone.
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When all the parent parking is taken at out our local Tesco (it’s right next to the store and closer than the disabled spaces), I have more than once seen parents actually park behind the cars parked there and the mother or father go in and leave the other parent with the kids in the car! The only justification I can see for these parking spaces is to keep the kids safely away from traffic, so if they aren’t even getting out of the car then surely a normal space should be good enough. It’s just pure laziness. It used to be possible for parents to park elsewhere before these spaces were invented but now apparently some parents think they’re so entitled to them that it’s ok to block the road by parking behind them?!
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Hope this clears up the issue regarding the general abuse of parking spaces by all kinds of users, including those with children
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Bit pompous at 98; what about those who choose not to have children but who also have issues carrying items into a shop!?
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105 – Then park close to the shop! It’s not rocket science. There’s only normally about 5 blooming parent and child spaces anyway so get over it!
Or get Your shopping delivered to your house, then none of you miserable lot will be able to moan. Ahh, in an deal world maybe… But then, why would your life be worth living?
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There are cars around now with sliding doors. The argument that “you have to open the door fully” to extract a child therefore becomes a rather weak one- just get a car with sliding doors and let the rest of us get on with our shopping in peace.
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Children these days won’t walk anywhere. The so-called mother and child spaces should be situated as far away from the shop as possible in order to combat the (literally) growing problem of childhood obesity
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108 – I honestly wonder where you people get your statistics from. “Children these days won’t walk anywhere.” All the children I know have no problem walking anywhere, are always outside playing and running about. Maybe you know lazy people & children, who knows. Anyway, the issue is the babies in carriers, not children who can walk!!
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Brilliant idea at 105; get the shopping delivered! Busy parents could take advantage of the service and the mother and child spaces could be abolished. As you say, it’s not rocket science.
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Since watching a documentary on women giving birth in Liberia/Africa recently, it has made me realise how bloody fortunate we are
Women out there are dying, simply by giving birth.
…But yet it doesn’t stop us mums here moaning, simply because some selfish div parks in ‘our’ parent & child space. Yes they’re nice and they’re convenient, but they are not a god given right; and certainly the world would still turn if they didn’t exist
Build a bridge hun, this world has more pressing issues
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106; Spot on; I’m lucky as I never have this stress. I have the perfect mother and child parking space called my drive. I leave the car there and Sainsbury’s brings my groceries to me. Internet shopping. Best thing since sliced bread!
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There certainly are some daft comments on here.
“Buy a new car with sliding doors” – what planet are you on? lol
Justifying parking in M&C spaces, at post 105, if you’ve got heavy shopping – by the same analogy, it’s ok to park in disabled spaces then if you’ve got a few heavy tins of cat food & gin in your bag?
Good old Alison at 100 questions my ability as a father, if I spend too long on the forums! Actually, luv, the baby was having her nap and the daughter was at a birthday party. Hope that’s ok with you? I sure do hope that you never have kids, with an attitude like yours I’d feel so sorry for them. What if they dared to disagree with you one day?
I am quite flattered at Billy Goat 102 though – he/she liked my comment so much, they decided to copy and paste it almost word for word – just managing to add a few choice words of their own in a feeble attempt to score points, whilst not actually having contribution of their own to make. Bravo, luv!
Finally, 111 Caroline – switch “Parent and Child” space for “disabled” space and then re-read your post. Do you still agree with what you wrote now? Sure, the world would still turn if people with, say, hip operations had to walk across the car park with heavy shopping. But not really fair, is it?
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Absolutely. My kids like walking. You certainly can’t generalise about whether children will walk or whether they won’t. The wife and I have ensured that our children have been brought up to do so. Part of the example which was set involved walking into supermarkets, often from spaces which were situated quite far away, families who are fortunate enough to have their mobility are not disabled, after all! We have also been keen not to imbibe our children with the self -righteous, entitlement culture which is so prevalent these days and we are very keen on tolerance and acceptance of other’s views, otherwise, what sort of world are we going to have with some of the less enlightened and apparently aggressive parenting which we sadly see today?
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I don’t think Alison was talking about anyone in particular, Elvid, (guilty conscious?) and I believe that there is a difference between able bodied parents and the disabled. It seems that you feel obliged to react to any point of view which is expressed here. The comment regarding the use of time therefore seems well founded. You clearly don’t like any disagreement with your own views, please think of the example which you set your children, because it is not a mature one, sorry. This is a public forum, not just one for those who share your opinions and liking for silly name calling.
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Do keep the posts coming number 113, it interesting to see the puerile lenghts which some posters will go to to argue their case, scary that you have children, god help them
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There are small minded comments here from one who should know better, particularly where world hardship is concerned; but that’s the symptom of a closed, bigoted mind. Build a bridge and get a life hun, this world has more pressing issues and that’s where we must set an example to our children instead of selfishly putting our own ego first.
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I thought that the “sliding door” post was a joke, but then, it does seem to make sense, and I think that it might have been because someone above used the excuse that “you have to open doors wide”, which sounds pretty thin to me.
Many years ago, I had a sherpa van with sliding doors and, I have to admit, it was brilliant for taking the baby seat out of. I never used to have any problems at all at the shops. I wouldn’t suggest that mums go out and get a sherpa van though! I hope I don’t get trolled by the compulsive and self-appointed guru for expressing my view, fingers crossed.
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I find my smart car to be good for parking and you don’t have to bother looking for one of these special spaces
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How about this; people with children get their children to help other people at the supermarket, perhaps disabled people. Or the parents could themselves help, thereby setting an example to their children. Rather than it being all “one way traffic”, we could then have the parents giving something back for the various privileges (parking, state benefits, etc) which they seem to have these days. It would be fun and it would hopefully turn the tide away from the rather spoilt culture which we now have, a culture which seems to come from the attitude of parents; you only have to go to restaurants or the cinema to see it in action!
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I think that any reasonably fit adult male should be able to carry an infant in a carry chair, provided, of course, that the car doors open wide enough
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I guess parents have to be fairly broad minded and tolerant of others and their habits/views. It cuts both ways in the sense that ordinary people have to make allowances for children/families in all sorts of ways and parents etc need to be sensible and set an example etc.Some of the comments which I’ve seen here don’t encourage me, to be honest.
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If you have an estate car, a lot of items can be lifted out of the back door, thereby rendering these spaces unnecessary, as indeed they largely are. Disabled yes, anything else, no.
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123 ‘If you have an estate car, a lot of items can be lifted out of the back door’
I find that, similarly, a shooting brake is ideal for supermarket shopping. Provide that is not reversed into the space. However, reversing in makes exiting easier if a badly parked mum sticks out too far from the opposite space.
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isn’t a shooting break the same as an estate car or indeed a station wagon? Morris Minor travellers were always good with their twin rear doors and you can buy refurbished examples at evry reasonable prices; much better for shopping and for other road users than these enormous 4 wheel drive contraptions.
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