Compulsory work scheme for jobless?
Friday 25th November 2011, 3:00PM GMT.
Chief Minister Ian Gorst (left) chairs his first meeting of the Council
UNEMPLOYED Islanders on benefits could be made to carry out community work under radical plans to be considered by ministers.
At a major conference on leadership this week, newly re-elected Treasury Minister Philip Ozouf raised the possibility of a new work scheme for the jobless.
He said that job creation would be a major priority for the new Council of Ministers, and more investment would be needed for existing schemes to get people back into work, including Advance to Work, Advance to Work Plus and States apprenticeships.
The news comes as it was today revealed that the number of unemployed people in Jersey reached a record high. The States Statistics Unit say that at the end of last month 1,500 people were registered as unemployed – 130 more than the month before and the highest level ever recorded in Jersey.
Following the first meeting of the new Council of Ministers yesterday, Chief Minister Ian Gorst said that tackling unemployment and creating jobs would be their top priorities.
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It is about time, anyone refusing should have their benefits stopped
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Finally a step in the right direction. REduce the amount handed out and some of the islanders spongers may start looking for a real job.
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Within the last decade the island has moved from having full employment (remember, back when we applied the 5yr rule) to the highest unemployment figures ever.
Is that because everyone has become lazier?
Or is it because companies have closed down or shed staff due to the global recession which began in 2008?
Most people who are now claiming benefits were working 10 yrs ago, (obviously not the teenagers) do you really believe they just can’t be bothered anymore?
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Shame I could not highlight or underline the word Spongers in my original post.
Yes there are legitimate cases for benefits, however a lot of people ‘play’ the system.
If the benefits were not monetary but ‘food’ vouchers like in America then people could not afford cigarettes and alcohol. Why should my taxes go towards someone living the life of riley. Additionally what is the incentive to do minimum wage jobs when you get money for free? Therefore we import people willing to work on minimum wage, raising the population and putting mroe strain on the economy and services.
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Great Idea!!! Obviosu restrictions for disabled/incapacity, but if they can work, then if they want benefits they must work for them. Plenty of work they can be doing rather than sitting on their bums all day.
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How is Treasury Minister Philip Ozouf going to instigate a new work scheme for the jobless, he is the Treasury Minister after all. Would it not be better idea for Philip Ozouf to get States of Jersey spending in check first, whilst his new colleges get their feet under the table.
Sounds like sour grapes to me, Dear Philip.
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well I hope is the one year unemployed that will have to complete the compulsory work first, and not the newly unemployed, these people should have the same year off like the last lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Excellent idea! It will then take away jobs from those who are actually employed and eventually very large numbers of people will be unemployed but made to do work that they have not been trained for.
Of course, Mr Ozouf is one of those people who has not been trained for the job he is doing and we all know how well he is doing it!
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But if we actually read the article, the minister responsible for social security says this will not happen.
So why is this a front page story?
And why is Ozo getting involved(again) in someone elses department. First he was making ominous statements about our relationship with the UK (which really is the Chief minister’s turf), now he’s running social security as well.
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Ah the poor little lambs – surely they won’t be forced to do a day’s work in order to claim their benefits?
I realise that there are lots of genuine people who really are seeking jobs and have trouble finding them, but I also know from personal knowledge that there are lots of people who sit around all day drinking and smoking and have no intention of finding work. Why should they? They’ve got their benefits anyway and don’t need to work!
GOOD ON YER SENATOR GORST!!!! GO! GO! GO!
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It could get a lot worse before it gets better.
The world economy is looking like it is in a dreadful state.
With a huge crisis in Europe over the Euro and unemployment and economic woes mounting everywhere I have not seen things looking so black since the 1970′s.
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Finally.
Looong overdue.
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I think its a good idea making those who claim benefits, to work for it, To give back to the community. Sadly its become too easy to get money for nothing on this island, and this will hopefully save a lot of benefits being handed out, as i would rather choose my job than be given one because i choose not to work. I think a percentage will start applying for jobs, whereas before they would have just chosen to claim benefit. Keeps people skilled, and motivated at the same time.
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Brilliant idea, just hope their not going to make babies like rabbits to avoid working….
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Yup, because looking after a baby is much easier than working for 8 hours isn’t it?
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Only if they look after it properly. And the sort of people who would rather sponge of the island and live on benefits than work, are normally the same sort of people who couldn’t care less about their kids.
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And I would imagine the end results of the babies for benefits culture are the teenagers I saw riding bikes through St Helier during school hours and the others I saw drinking lager at 10.30am.
Jersey will have to get used to a population of NEETS – people under 25 Not in Education Employment or Training, over 1 million in the UK currently.
How many here?
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That’s right it’s so much easier to look after a baby than to work an 8 hour shift isn’t it?
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Thanks for giving them ideas Kermit!!!!
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Sorry , but when I see all the teens walking around town with fake babies in their arms, I think there is a problem here.
Never seen that where I come from.
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The fake babies are organised through the schools. It was a part of the project trident back in my day.
It was meant to make you think about the amount of care that went into looking after a baby (although basically they just cried all the time) But being a voluntery think they girls who choose to have one of those things in the half term holidays weren’t really the girls that were going to be teen mothers anyway.
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Amazing! the states have started listening to people!
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The states must surely stop the open door policy of immigration.
My wife who works for a local garage has recently received enquiries from new arrivals – literally on the island a few weeks – and phone calls from overseas about a recently advertised vacancy.
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I doubt that there will be enough community work to go round and give them more than a day each per week.
I suppose you could load them on to buses and take them out litter picking on the beaches but I know a few office types that are currently resting and a day on a beach in mid January would kill them.
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To Pip Clement
Why load them on to buses which again we taxpayers have to pay for? If they’re able-bodied, don’t they have 2 legs??
Why make it so easy for them?
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No doubt you walk to work in all weathers. These people are unemployed, not criminals on a chain gang.
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Finally something might be done about the career spongers, yes I do realise there are a lot of people who are genuinely out of work, so surely now its time for work permits give the decent people a chance without having to compete with the hoards of immigrants, maybe time to do something about the babies for benefits as well
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Careful Mark – I know you are pretty far right with your views but it’s close to being abusive this one. You make it sound like ‘decent people’ v ‘hoards of immigrants’. It’s not so black and white is it, and you can’t really blame or blacklist individuals/groups of people for the system.
PS. Is Jersey a career sponger towards the rest of the world?
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Mark is quite correct and the majority of locals, especially those who have lost their jobs or had their wages reduced because of the arrival of people prepared to work for low wages, agree with him.
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Ah yes, the old babies for benefits again.
So women become pregnant with children they don’t want, go through labour, change nappies,clean sick and commit to the best part of 2 decades of caring, just to get out of going to work?
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Yes Alec, unfortunately they do! And these types certainly do NOT “commit the best part of 2 decades of caring” in fact they don’t even start doing any caring, hence the number of wayward brats kicking around these days!
And even the genuine mothers (not all of them, but many of them) slack off in the work place for months before their maternity leave even begins, and then slack off some more when they do return to work.
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Truth of the matter is that the Community Service Department have a nightmare in finding work and a budget for people under their control,as they cannot take away work from people employed to do that work ie TTS in parks and gardens etc.So who are going to lose there jobs to generate these jobs.
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Meaningful work please. So if you are a jobless teacher then you could be able to teach for example and gain experience to help you get a job. Not just the usual litter picking and gaffitti washing, esp. not for the young graduates with skills to help the island.
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I feel sorry for those who cannot get work,and there are hundreds of them willing to do any job.
They are missing so much.
We all worked in my generation,there was not enough staff in many instances so bosses treated you with respect-less you leave and work somewhere else.
The wages were not great,but no-body bothered as you bonded with others,had a great time.the craic was fierce,the radio blaring the latest pop-music all day long and I made friends for life.
These people are missing so much.
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And you could go to the old picture house on two bob, with change for a bus home, a bag of chips and a quick snifter at the gin hall…the good ole days
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At last – but if you read the full article F le G won’t force people to work – why not
Close the gates at the ports and stop the influx of none locals and those claiming unemployment who are not local are given a one way ticket home!
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At long last. If you are unemployed and offered a job you can physically do and refuse, benefits should stop. You should have to take that job regardless of whether you like it/want to do it, and do it until something better comes along.
For those who cant/dont get offered jobs, then there is plenty they can do without impacting on existing employed that would benefit the community/society (ie the taxpayer that is funding their benefit)for example park controller at the new town park!!! sounds like we need a few of them down there. Problem solved!!
I calculate that at a min wage, for 1500 people thats about £18 million a year.A staggering sum of taxpayers money for no return. The least we can expect is something in return, with charities closing down, hard up etc, get them helping out there. There is so much they could do. Lets hope this sees the light of day and quickly.
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How much extra will it cost making the unemployed work for their benefit? Because surely any task they are given, they will need health and safety training, plus the right protective clothing and equipment. And are those on benefit means tested? What I mean is, does someone who becomes unemployed having worked has a bank manager, get the same benefit has someone who is made unemployed having worked as a waiter?
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Or why not fund apprenticeship/re-training schemes for all ages?
Give people skills and experience and they are much more likely to find a job, here or off island. Either way they would no longer require benefits.
But picking up litter for less than minimum wage helps no-one, least of all the people who actually do those jobs at the moment.
There is a worldwide recession and people are unemployed throughout Europe and the US as well. We don’t have to punish those who have been unfortunate enough to lose their livelihoods.
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Ah yes, let’s get them litter-picking and graffitti cleaning.
Now remind me who does that at the moment? Oh yes,employed people who work for the States departments TTS etc.
If I was one of them I’d be worried.
Win,win, for the States though,cut down on staff and get the job done for peanuts.
I understand people’s reaction to this suggestion but it needs thinking about.
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No litter picking is done in the countryside, it just builds up in the hedges.
I think litter picking would be an excellent idea.
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TTS could maybe then focus their man power on doing the ‘real’ work.. resurfacing roads etc.
Or maybe buy some high vis jackets and give them each a used kitchen roll cellotaped to a show box, plonk them on the road side pretending to be coppers.. instant speed reducer.
Couple of forks and a tractor they can pick up all the sea lettuce.
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Before this , work permits! That has to come first, and there will be a significant improvement in the state of where we are now. Jobs for locals, and those with 5 years residences first. Stop immigration NOW!
Once this is done, the true welfare leaches will be visible to all, and either become zero hour States employees to earn their keep, or get no money. Welcome to the real world…….
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Who is hoarding all these immigrants, Mark?
I could do with some to look after my hordes of gold coins etc.
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When you consider that Peoples Park no longer has flowerbeds because of the expense it stands to reason that someone on benefits could be doing just that. The Island could be totally refreshed.
I quite agree that it is something that should happen but not necessarily that the level of benefit is enough for paid work.
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jobs are given to partners of essentially
employed in the States permanent pensionable
work with on job training.
Jersey people have no where to go they have no
work rights in europe.
Solution training for jobs available in australia.Unemployment is not good for anyone
Jersey has no care for their people.
Perhars it is because the numbers are increasing they are starting to take notice
Jersey can be paradise or a prison
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What a great idea, can you also get a proper doctor to look at all the people who are “on the sick” as I know that a lot of them shouldn’t be on there. Why should they live in a comfy lifestyle when all other decent folk work for a living?
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They are doing this in the UK, and I think its a good idea. It will separate the genuinely ill from those who play the system.
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Sensible, I believe the system the UK are considering will work for certain physical conditions. However, as per all new initiatives in the Health sector, it will discriminate against those with chronic physical conditions and mental health problems. There can be no “one-size fits all”, not even when it comes to who signs people off work.
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I did a winter work scheme in the 1980s. It was brilliant and we got paid £80 per week and picked up a few building skills.
Most of the lads that I worked with had been in and out of trouble and quite a few had just been released from jail. It was a good way to make new contacts and to pick up further skills related to housebreaking, petty crime etc. Needless to say, I didn’t put any of those skills into practice but I enjoyed my new and potentially useful circle of friends, many of whom I still chat to 25 years later.
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The idea was mine, ozouf borrowed it. That’s fine.
If people are working, one they feel part of the community two they are more likely to find a job.
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I think PO is just making sure he has something to do after the next elections.
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The problem with many unemployed (and I know a few) is their unwillingness to do just anything for a living and holding out until a job that “matches their skills come up” which in this climate rarely does. Also one needs to be proactive in job seeking and keep getting out there and asking.
I have travelled a lot of my life and whenever I return to the island I get work almost straight away. I ASK for work in places that are not advertising for staff and eventually get it. I have never been out of work in my life but have had to look for work hundreds of times during my travelling times and when I return to Jersey. Never been a problem and I am 53.
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Naive comments on here. Where do you think all the jobs are?? Why has unemployment shot up? 1. The world wide and local economy is very bad – local small businesses are suffering, the trade is just not there, people are not spending. 2. No immigration policy – foreigner’s taking local jobs.
I bet the majority of you on here are in ‘secure’ well paid finance jobs with a healthy bank account??
I will only employ local persons in my business (and I mean true Jerseymen)as I have my own policy and that is to look after our own first, if only the states would adopt this we wouldn’t have mass unemployemnt.
Open your eyes C Le Verdic foreigner’s are everywhere taking local jobs.
All that this policy will do is to have lots and lots of people working for nothing (taking up a full time job), the employer will gain as HE will be getting paid to ‘employ’ the person instead of the other way round. This will make the situation worse!!
Stupid ideas from stupid people.
IMMIGRATION POLICY NOW – STOP EMPLOYER’S FROM EMPLOYING NON-LOCALS- SIMPLES!!
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Sigh…they always come out…”Dont let em work here, give em any rights or marry our girls too, they will polute the master race”…where have we heard this before? If they are good hard working people, then live and let live.
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It is nothing to do with polution – it’s about jobs – why keep importing more people to take the few jobs available – often at lower wages. Then after 5 years given them welfare handouts.
All immigration should be stopped until such time as unemployment is reduced.
It is not as if there are prospects for massive job increases currently.
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Oh wow Ozouf, what an amazing idea did you come up with this all by yourself?! The States are just copying Cameron and Cleggie with their ideas, why are people posting backslapping comments when it was an obvious UK policy to copy.
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The New Deal was a series of economic programs implemented in the United States between 1933 and 1936. They were passed by the U.S. Congress during the first term of President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The programs were Roosevelt’s responses to the Great Depression, and focused on what historians call the “3 Rs”: Relief, Recovery, and Reform. That is, Relief for the unemployed and poor; Recovery of the economy to normal levels; and Reform of the financial system to prevent a repeat depression. The New Deal produced a political realignment, making the Democratic Party the majority (as well as the party which held the White House for seven out of nine Presidential terms from 1933 to 1969),
Useful history?
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May I also point out that the New Deal created jobs by the government funding work that enhanced Americas infrastructure, so roads, dams, railways etc. It also rehomed people who were living in substandard accomodation (often rented) to homes built by the deal with modern facilities. By raising the lifestyle of the unemployed through work and decent homes the New Deal re-started the American economy.
So, in a nutshell the New Deal was meaningful work and an enormous initial economic outlay from the government.
Slightly different to cuts all around and “let them pick up litter” strategy.
P.S.
The New Deal worked.
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The New Deal did NOT work (not to say that not worth doing).
WWII worked – for the American Economy.
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What I would like to know is how many of the 1500 so called “UNEMPLOYED” are just that ? I am actually employed with a 0 hours contract and because of that and the system I am registered as unemployed much to my disgust !!!! so I am one of the 1500 being spoken about here. To be able to claim my income support as the job I do is not that well paid and I am a single parent I have to be registered as unemployed !!!! I did argue the toss on that with one of the advisor’s and much to my dismay all I was told was I needed to find a contracted job !!
I would love to have the knowledge and security of a contacted job but the states will not do that so even though I AM working I still have to sign on every week now that is madness and needs to be address first and foremost. So come on states of Jersey give us 0 hour contracted working people a contract and take us off your unemployed list ! It would make me very very happy to have a contract and not be registered as unemployed just like the girls I am working with !!
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12 Ollie..interesting observation..listening to someone ..this idea was lifted straight out of that sensible Mr Le Clercq’s manifesto who recently stood in St.Ouen…it was his idea along with re introducing work permits…and laughably the one they voted for James Reed was sacked from his job at education within a week of getting in…careful who you vote for and why.
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Have 2 kids in Oz travelling LOADS work in outback 10/12 hour days 7 day week $20/30 an hour,so get off your backsides there is work but need to get on your “bike” as Mr Tebbitt said once.Oh yes how to pay to get there,well in Jersey they worked day & night doing pizza delivery,temp office work, call centre etc etc no funding from us!!!Having experience of lifetime,good CV shows they are prepared to do ANYTHING & have degrees as well,so not all bad.
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I may well be “officially” unemployed next year (at the moment just not working
……would be very happy to do some work in exchange for cash, been doing that all my life anyway!
FWIW I think Cash benefits should only be given to those with 5 years social stamp. and 10 years for a States House. For others Hostels and 3 square meals a day….might find that a lot of unemployments gets exported!
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It’s like a throwback to when the constables used to abuse the welfare system. Because of that, it was taken out of their hands but still this kind of nonsense goes on.
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24; they are being hoarded ten to a room in many run down properties. In a few years time, they will moan about the “awful” conditions that they had to “endure”, even though they were here by choice and sending all their money home!
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29, no, it was my idea. I wrote it on a toilet wall in Grimsby in 1978.
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First and foremost there are plenty of career benefit claimants, I know this having lived next door to them for years in St Clement. Supposedly single women with 4 kids (was told this was optimum number of kids against cost of rearing them on benefits) never turning a finger to look after them and living what appeared to be a comfortable lifestyle. This was judged on several observations 1. They threw out better furniture and electrical goods than we could afford to buy. 2. They would all congregate in their favorite dole loungers front yard smoking and drinking beer in the afternoon waiting for their brats to come home. 3. Their unemployed “partners” who for dole reasons did not live with them being picked up and dropped off by builders for their cash in hand work.
As unpalatable as it is there are plenty of people out there like this and it is the hard working tax payer who is footing the bill for these “victims” of the social system. Social security is a good thing and god forbid I hope I will never need to claim it, but it has to to be policed and given to the people who truly deserve it not the ones consciously manipulating the system for max benefit and min effort in life.
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Fed Up at 32.
I’d be interested in what your definition of a ‘true’ Jerseyman is, and I have to say as a Jerseyman myself, I find your comments offensive. It’s people like you that give us a bad name.
I would rather employ a hard working open minded immigrant who was capable and hard working, than a prejudiced local like yourself.
Jersey, like everywhere else in the world is becoming more multi cultural and this should be embraced, not critised.
Yes, of course there needs to be caps on numbers coming in, and there should be stringent checks on matters such as criminal records, employment, etc. And I agree with other posters that with the current situation it is not helpful to allow even more people into the island… but not employing someone purely on the basis that they are not a ‘true Jerseyman’ is outrageous.
Having lived and worked away from the island when I was travelling when younger, I am so pleased I didn’t have to deal with people like you when applying for jobs.
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So you will be happy to pay 40% tax, capital gains tax and 20% VAT which is what they pay in the UK to finance their welfare system.
Jersey is a small island with an over large population and record unemployment. The door needs to be shut to immigrants, especially the ones that work for minimum wage.
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How do you shut the door to someone on minimum wage. They can only be on a wage, once they are through the door.
You never think before you write, do you ?
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Yes, please work schemes, so long as it’s for local unemployed; the rest can bog off.
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so who do you class as local?
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Local – someone who was born here
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Someone who puts “hey” at the end of every sentence…
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I think we would want to distinguish the type of community work for unemployed from community work for criminals who talk themselves out of a jail sentence, wouldn’t we? Otherwise we would be treating the unemployed like criminals, which they are not. Community service work, for a recent criminal who talked himself out of a jail sentence and then didn’t even turn up, was described as extremely light, little more than sweeping a few leaves. On the basis that the criminals should be subject to harder labour than the unemployed, to distinguish the two, just how light would the community service work for the unemployed have to be?
Of course, if we were to make criminals break rocks, problem solved.
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So what about the people in their 60′s that are not permitted benefit because there rent is low and they have a few pounds saved are they just going to have to watch their savings disappear if they can not find employement, i have paid my stamp for 45 years never been out of work, but when i ask for a bit of help so i can keep paying into my pension plan and not use my retirement savings and ask for a bit of help for a while till i find employement i am refused whilst people who have not paid for this length of time seem to be able to walk in and claim all sorts it is just morally wrong after 45 years paying in there has to be some scale.
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This post terrible, sums up a main problem with Social Security; hard working people pay in yet when they need a little helping hand are shunted out of the door. I hope something comes up for you soon, and shame on SS…..
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Yes, they want to reduce you to pauper level, out on the street, before they’ll help you.
Worked hard for years, paying into the system, have a property nearly paid off? No, no help there, you’ll have to sell it off and be down to your last x thousand savings before you get a penny from Income Support.
A claimant should be able to hold onto whatever wealth they have (asset-rich, cash-poor etc) and get help with living costs. If you don’t like the idea of helping out ‘rich’ people then find another way to make things fairer, taxing the rich in other ways – but it just isn’t fair to bring people down from the position they’ve worked for over many years before you’ll help.
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beano , bet you feel conned .
had you , had loads of kids or a bad back and a drink , drug problem, you would get it all, your home food , the lot .
and go fishing , weather permitting .
it is a shocking situation, that makes one think , why should i bother? the wrong message .
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People in employ have to leave home to go to their place of work, therefore it would not be unreasonable that those on benefits had to go to courses of education and training five days a week and not be allowed to stay at home all day.
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Some time ago my brother who is a plasterer found himself out of work,
when asked by an employee at the job canter why he had not found work as she believed that there were jobs out there for him,
He explained that one reason he believes that he has not found work was because, on his return from a day trip to France he was talking to about eight Polish plasterers on the boat, they were on there way to Jersey to work for Dandara, They had secured there work from outside of Jersey and they told him they had never been to the Island before, The employee at the job centre replied by saying, unfortunately there isn’t much we can do about that as Dandara is the number one choice of builder for the states, It makes you wonder why?
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shocking !!!
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Wow, really shocked with volume of racist comments here, makes me embarrassed to be local! Grow up people, we’re all the same!
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Good luck getting this past the public sector unions…
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Hurray
So good the something for nothing era is coming to an end.
The work shy and benefit system experts should be under a lot more pressure.
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I am not aware of any racist comments. It is only commonsense to cater for one’s own unemployed; it is done in France and elsewhere. My friend has a property in France and has sought work there. They tell him (pretty openly) that the position is not available to him because he is not a French national. Are the French racist? No, they are sensible. The same goes for Australia and lots of other places- only Jersey, a tiny place with finite jobs whose government has no balls, is different. The above post concerning the out-of-work plasterer depicts a disgusting state of affairs but one which, sadly, does not surprise me in the least. The simmering resentment, which the states like to pretend is not there, is continuing to grow. We need (spoken slowly so that our obtuse states members cannot pretent not to hear) strict. immigration. controls.
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I think we would want to distinguish the type of community work for unemployed from community work for criminals who talk themselves out of a jail sentence, wouldn’t we? Otherwise we would be treating the unemployed like criminals, which they are not. Community service work, say, for a person of honour, may be extremely light, little more than sweeping a few leaves. On the basis that people of strong belief should be subject to labour, just how light would the community service work for the unemployed have to be?
Of course, if we were to make people break rocks, problem solved.
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The, thin wallet, why do you ,use, so many, commas in, the, wrong places, ?
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